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Etymology

The last part needs verification that it’s not just nonsense and a citation if it’s not just nonsense. 2601:87:C480:10:F5AC:F479:BA89:D045 (talk) 17:47, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed this because it looks a lot like false etymology. Dictionaries are pretty much agreed that the word barbecue comes from a Caribbean/Native American origin. Not sure how this crept in, but the article is better off without it unless there is a very good source.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:53, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why just "Southern U.S.," in the text below?

"American English usage in the Southern US, grilling refers to a fast process over high heat while barbecuing usually refers to a slow process using indirect heat or hot smoke, similar to some forms of roasting."

These usages are well-established throughout the nation.

SteGenevieve (talk) 23:24, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed.

Fixed. –CWenger (^ • @) 01:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Closing early per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) ~~ Jessintime (talk) 23:21, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barbecue → BBQ – Time to switch away from the current title as it's use is depreciated. BBQ is by far the most common spelling (395.000.000 for "bbq", 185.000.000 for "barbecue" and 47.200.000 for "barbeque"). It's also in the meriam-webster and the oxford english dictionary. Youth of today don't know the old spelling anymore and we should move with the times. Of course we should still keep the old spellings listed as alternative spellings. 46.11.216.98 (talk) 09:57, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Barbecue is a proper word and BBQ is an abbreviation of it. It doesn't really matter what a WP:GOOGLE search says. Also bear in mind that the spellings of barbeque/BBQ are often seen as Americanisms and are not the most common forms in other variants of the English language.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- BBQ is not an abbreviation, barbecue does not even have a Q in it. It's a more-or-less-phonetical representation of the word as people say it. BBQ is not related to the american old spelling of 'barbeque' per se, as is shown from its usage statistics. BBQ appears almost 10 times as often as the spelling 'barbeque'. The Q in the spelling 'BBQ' is the result of the word barbecue ending with a Q sound, not the result of the word having the letter Q in it. Google search 'site:.co.uk "BBQ"' gives 26.500.000 hits while google search 'site:co.uk "barbecue"' only gives 16.400.000 hits. BBQ is the predominant spelling in the UK as well. --46.11.216.98 (talk) 13:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- United Kingdom (.co.uk) 26.500.000 for BBQ 16.400.000 for barbecue
- Australia (.au): 24,300,000 for BBQ 3,790,000 for barbecue
- Ireland (.ie): 3,000,000 for BBQ 1,120,000 for barbecue
- Canada (.ca): 41,100,000 for BBQ 7,690,000 for for barbecue--46.11.216.98 (talk) 13:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles are based on the WP:COMMONNAME, not how many times something turns up in a Google search.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You were the one arguing that BBQ was not the most common form in other variants of the English language. I only proved to you that that is not true. --46.11.216.98 (talk) 18:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Barbecue is the name used in reliable sources, not "BBQ". English Wikipedia policy WP:TITLE says: "Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources." Carlstak (talk) 17:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Have you checked any reliable sources or are you just flaming down a new user for no good reason?
- New York times: "Best BBQ recipes" [1] "Homemade BBQ Sauce" [2]
- BBC: "To help your summer sparkle, we've chosen our favourite foods for a bbq, from bbq recipes for chicken to meltingly tender bbq pork, as well as ideas for salads, salsas and dips to serve alongside." [3]
- CNN: "This hidden BBQ joint is taking Dubai’s food scene by storm" [4]
- Sydney Morning Herald: "How to nail a Summer BBQ" [5]
- Al Jazeera: "American troops in Afghanistan gather for an Independence Day barbeque, BBQS are a popular tradition for celebrating the national day" [6]
- Christian Science Monitor: "Asian BBQ sauce and pulled pork sandwiches" [7]

--46.11.216.98 (talk) 18:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't know what you're talking about. Academic sources are what we use to support sociological and anthropological information on Wikipedia, and news sources should only be cited in an article like this to support the occurrence of news events concerning barbecue or if they quote an academic authority. This is an encyclopedia, not a sub-Reddit or Ehow. Your cites of newspapers and TV shows are lame sources for this article. "How to nail a Summer BBQ" and "This hidden BBQ joint is taking Dubai's food scene by storm" are laughable. Here's a sampling of Google Scholar query results for "barbecue", and here's Google Scholar results for query "BBQ", among which the top ten results are BBQ as an acronym for "Bias Benchmark for QA" and "Blended Browsing and Querying", and one about "Trace metal contents in barbeque (BBQ) charcoal products". Carlstak (talk) 19:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

News sources and signs may use it to save space, e.g., in headlines and newspaper columns, but it is generally pronounced as a word and more formal in tone as a word. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: "Barbecue" has a more formal tone and is more recognizable (or at least equally recognizeable). BBQ is an abbreviation, although a non-standard one. In conversation, the word is used rather than the abbreviation. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:23, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not disagreeing with the pronunciation, it's just the way it's written that is the question here. Generally BBQ/Barbecue/Barbeque are pronounced the same, as they are the same word, just different spellings.--46.11.216.98 (talk) 18:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Ngrams indicate that the most common form in books is "barbecue", and words in English ordinarily have vowels and aren't formatted in all-caps. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That data is over 5 years old and shows a clear trend (barbecue going sharply down, bbq shooting up) towards where we are now: bbq being the most common spelling. Newspapers are also lagging behind because they are edited by people that are generally old & conservative in their language usage. --46.11.216.98 (talk) 18:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Even if we use the last few years of data to extrapolate those curves forward in time (which we should not do), they would not have crossed each other yet, and Wikipedia is intended to lag behind other sources, not to try to predict them. For a narrower time window, see here. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:BLUDGEON. Replying to everyone who disagrees doesn't help.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:59, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose an abbreviation isn't a good title—blindlynx 20:53, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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