Talk:Jordin Tootoo

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Robidas incident of March 17, 2007

This section is likely to be a point of contention. A "sucker punch" is unexpected, and surely Robidas did not expect the blow, but the violence was compounded by the circumstance of Robidas' hard skate at Tootoo as he was turning around. "Sucker punch" implies a sneakiness or forethought that could not have been the case in the very short duration of this circumstance.

I've removed it - it's not permanently encyclopedic - even the game writeup barely mentions it - it has one sentence under "Game Notes" on ESPN.com [1]. A double-minor for roughing is not worthy of space on Wikipedia. Yankees76 04:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity

It's well know that Tootoo is of Inuit background, but someone at the page Ukrainian Canadian claimed his mother was of Ukrainian background. Can anyone comment on this? Kevlar67 10:09, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it, but it might be true. Tootoo's family is heavily in politics, and lots of Inuit have mixed background. He's Hunter Tootoo cousin and George Hickes' nephew. His family looks pretty Inuit to me, although a photo is no proof. --Diderot 13:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually on further research, there are certainly enough websites saying that his mother is Ukrainian, including a NY Times article. Heh - who knew? --Diderot 13:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I am fairly sure that his mother is Ukrainian. I know of a Ukrainian organization that was trying to get him as a speaker back in 2004 because of this. -- JamesTeterenko 16:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I knew the family personally, and yes, his mother is definately of Ukrainian descent. Good Ninja

so why is his name in Inuktituk and not also in Ukrainian? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 20:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Bias

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This page makes him seem like one of the NHL's top players... I think it needs a little work done, considering Tootoo is a disgrace to hockey... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Burgz33 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 20 March 2007.

Where did you get that vibe from? I don't see anything that claims him to be one of the nhl's top players.--E tac 05:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, can you point out the bits that lead to the idea that he's one of the top players. And at the same time provide a source for the disgrace remark? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Besides his stats, he just got suspended for 5 games for punching a player.. sounds like a disgrace to me. Hes got such an elaborate page when other league players like Jan von Arx (HC DAVOS) don't even have one.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgz33 (talk • contribs)

Are we talking about same Davos team that boasts such NHL "stars" as Alexandre Daigle, Josef Marha and Yves Sarault? You may argue all you like, but Jordin Tootoo skates circles around Jan Von Arx - however you're more than welcome to create and article for him. Don't forget to add a section about his 6-month drug suspension from June 2006 though.

Tootoo has represented his country and is the first Inuk player to play in the NHL. He's a hero to his people - Von Arx hasn't even been drafted, and never will be. Yankees76 03:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Tootoo is a hero to his people by doing late hits and when he actually DOES drop the gloves(rare, he likes to skate around and make other teams take penalties) He gets his ass beat. So MANY NHL Players have played for the Davos. Reto van Arx played with the Blackhawks for a brief amount of time, and Josef Marha is freaking incredible for a person of his caliber. You can't compare a forward to a defenseman, anyway.
Tootoo - 108 NHL Games::18 Points
Marha - 159 NHL Games::53 Points
R. van Arx - 19 NHL Games::4 Points
Daigle - 616 NHL Games::327 Points
J. van Arx - 386 Games (With Davos)::87 Points (Pretty damn good for a defenseman whos only 5'7")
Tootoo = Disgrace
New NHL Rules = Disgrace
Any Tootoo fan = Disgrace

I would of loved to see Tootoo play against Tie Domi, Tony Twist, Reed Low, etc, etc.

Learn your facts, little ones. ---burgz. 07:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Just found this. Tootoo getting owned by Reed Low. http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Pvn_b8lSz8 --- This is what happens when you face people who drop the gloves for a living. ---burgz. 07:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

OK could you please leave out the personal attacks and racist remarks. Please read Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Again, can you please point out the parts of the article that indicate he is one of the best players in the NHL? I'm not a great supporter of Tootoo but edit tthis page because it fits in with my interests. So if it does indicate that he is one of the best players in the NHL then I want it changed. All you have done is make comparisions between him and other players. There are plenty of great sites where you could do that but this isn't it. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 17:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree this argument is ridiculous, and I'm not even sure why we're comparing a current NHLer with past players/draft busts or career minor leaguers. There's nothing in this article that indicates Tootoo is anything that he isn't, and there's certainly no bias either. And as per WP:LIVING, Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space - meaning that all this POV about Tootoo being a disgrace is subject to deletion at any time and will be removed. Yankees76 17:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

First off, where did I say a racist remark? You must be blind. I'm saying hes got such an elaborate page compared to the same age of players who are ten times better. How are you a supporter of one of the dirtiest players in the game? You're a disgrace.

"I'm not even sure why we're comparing a current NHLer with past players/draft busts or career minor leaguers." - Yankees76
You brought it up, champ. We were talking about HC Davos and how most of there players who are ten times better than Tootoo don't even have a page.
Theres been so many news stories on how Tootoo is becoming one of the most wanted men in the NHL, and how people like LaRaque say he'll piss off the wrong person.
You guys aren't true hockey fans, at all.---burgz. 21:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

You said "Tootoo is a hero to his people" and that is a racist remark. And for a second time stop with the personal attacks. For the third time would you please point out the sections/wording in the article that indicate/claim he is one of the best in the NHL. You need to read what I wrote, I never said that I was a supporter of Tootoo just that the article fitted in with my other editing interests. Perhaps you should put more effort into writing about the players you think deserve it than complaining about this article. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Dude, are you stupid? Yankees76 said hes a hero to his people, I was saying how.... Hes the first Inuk to play in the NHL, thus being a hero to his people even if hes just a disgraceful goon. You sir, are highly uneducated. I hope one day you can go to school and realize that when somebody says "Hes a hero to his people" Isn't racist. Last time I checked, Inuk wasn't even a race. Hes white /Caucasian. Seriously, your ignorance blows my mind. ---burgz. 22:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an forum for personal opinions nor is it a place where you attack other people or users. I suggest that you stop immediately with your behavior or find some place else to express your thoughts and feelings. --Krm500 23:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

You want some crackers with that whine?---burgz. 01:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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Above section

Having read through the above I felt that there was nothing to be gained by prolonging this and so I tagged it with archive tags twice. However, Burgz33 reverted it both times with no explanation. I feel that due to the ongoing personal opinions and attacks on other editors, along with no valid discussion on the article, that the above section has come to a close. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

There was no reason to tag it, you were wrong, just let it be. If you think the phrase "He's a hero to his people" is racist, you are truly ignorant. Go ahead, tag whatever you wish. But just know you are pretty much wrong in every argument you make... 07:59, 22 March 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgz33 (talk • contribs)

I've re-achived it. There was no reason for the tags to be removed. Also note the section is subject to deletion as it violates WP:LIVING and contains personal attacks directed at specific editors. Yankees76 16:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Article Evaluation

The 3 questions I picked to evaluate about the article of Jordin Tootoo are:

1. Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented? Yes. I believe large aspects of Jordin's personal life are underrepresented in this article. There is very little mention of his late brother, which was an extremely important aspect towards shaping his life. As well as almost no mention of the book he wrote while going through a recovery faze after his rehab stint. Another point that i saw no mention of at all is the Team Tootoo foundation that he started as a non-profit.

2. Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Everything in the article is relevant to the life of Jordin. It doesnt go into great detail of his life but everything that is there is relevant from his hockey career, his presence as a Inuk native and his hard times he has faced.

3. Is there any information missing or is there any information that is outdated? The statistics they have for Jordin's NHL career are outdated in this article. The Team Tootoo foundation has no mention in this article as well as an abundance of missing information in regards to his book and how he battled back and is serving as a role model for his home community and others just like it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DQuennell (talk • contribs) 20:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Lexi Pollard - Week two assignment questions

Is each fact referenced with an appropriate, reliable reference? - No, there is a few statements that need references and none are present such as the paragraph about his time with the New Jersey Devils and a few sentences in his personal life paragraph.

Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Is there anything that distracted you? - No everything is pretty relevant. It gives a good idea as to who Jordan and his significance as a first nations athlete.

Is the article neutral? Are there any claims, or frames, that appear heavily biased toward a particular position? - there is no bias or opinion towards him as a person at any time. There is just straight facts about him and what he has done as a first nation athlete in Canada.

Where does the information come from? Are these neutral sources? If biased, is that bias noted? - The information comes from multiple types of sources. Some more "wiki acceptable" than some others. Some are scholarly articles that talk about Tootoo which are reputable and others not so much such as blog posts.

Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented? His trading within other teams and his journey was strongly overrepresented and tied into a lot of other things such as his personal life and how that affected him.

Check a few citations. Do the links work? Is there any close paraphrasing or plagiarism in the article? Yes all the links work. They bring my directly to the sources that are being referenced. There is a few sentences that could be considered plagiarism that are used and would help if the effort was put in to reword it differently, that would bring this article to the next level.

Polla113 (talk) 02:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Personal Life

I heard he be courting Ms. Kellie Pickler

Nickname

Saving nickname and source for future use in prose. The TooToo Train -Djsasso (talk) 01:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

References