Wikipedia talk:Moving a page

Moving talk pages

When using Special:MovePage, and selecting Move associated talk page box, the talk page is moved, and a redirect is left on the old talk page title.

I strongly feel that this function should, instead of a redirect to the new talk page, leave Template:Talk page of redirect. This would be in addition to Template:R from move (which it already does).

However, I don't have any idea if this would be remotely popular, or how I'd propose it, so I'm asking for an admin's opinions. (please include {{ping|CityUrbanism}} in your response)  – CityUrbanism 🗩 🖉 16:51, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

No, that would break inward links. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

@Redrose64: I don't really understand. Template:Talk page of redirect is already transcluded on 20758 talk pages of redirects.  – CityUrbanism 🗩 🖉 09:26, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

That's only for talk pages that already have content (e.g. because the corresponding article was merged). Graham87 15:18, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

@Graham87: Understood. But it's arguable that following a move, it's better to have a talk page with Template:Tpr than a talk page with #REDIRECT [[Talk:Blah blah]]. The redirect is still content.  – CityUrbanism 🗩 🖉 15:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Before the move, one or more discussions on the talk page may have been linked from elsewhere. If the talk page is then moved, the redirect ensures that those links still work. If the #REDIRECT [[...]] is removed, those links no longer reach the intended discussions: they are broken. For example, many page moves are preceded by a discussion on the talk page of the page that it is intended to move. If the discussion is closed as successful, the page move action will often have in its summary a link to that discussion so that people curious as to the reason why the move occurred will be able to find it. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:57, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Updates needed

This page and Help:How to move a page seems to be slightly outdated on the "how to" because vector 2022. Text and images. But I'm not 100% sure what I see is what "Most users will find". My "Move" is under "Tools", right of the watchlist star. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, you are correct @Gråbergs Gråa Sång. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:22, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Moving an article with a talk page collision

I want to move an article following an RM discussion period (see here). The target is a redirect to the current title but it has a talk page, and that collides with the being-moved talk page. I don't see this covered in the project page. I'm an admin, but it's been a long time since I moved a page and I want to handle this properly; what is the accepted procedure here? I'm thinking that it might be best to manually incorporate the content of the target talk page into a subsection of the Requested move ... section on the talk page being moved before making the move. Advice solicited. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

@Wtmitchell: For this particular case I'd do a bit of history-swapping ... I'd move Balangiga massacre to somewhere like Balangiga Massacre (without a redirect, overwriting the history at that article and your comment at its talk page ... but you can history-merge that back in ... or maybe choose another redirect that's not so obvious), and then move Battle of Balangiga" to "Balangiga massacre. Doing the move this way would mean that your comment here makes sense. It's hard to generalise because there are several ways of dealing with talk page collisions depending on the situation. Graham87 15:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I had to put this aside as my day went on and other things needed attention. I think I'll be able to work out what I need to do from that once I get back to it. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, ideally talk pages should stick to its parent article. In this case, the article's talk page must be brought over to match the current location of the article. However, I'm not sure what to do with the former redirect's talk page, because the redirect is now gone. I guess its content should be merged with the parent talk page, with necessary background (what moved and when), and the page be swapped. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 22:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

wp:common name

The discussion here may be of interest to some, as it raises some core questions as to wp:commonname. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:CCC9:7E7B:26A9:1834 (talk) 18:49, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of fixing your link. Graham87 03:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Talk page archives

When Mathematical modelling of infectious disease was moved to Mathematical modelling of infectious diseases, its talk archives did not move with it, and the header of the talk page no longer linked to the archives. I've now corrected this example.

I would like to add a prompt to this how-to guide advising people to look for such archives and move them as necessary (this would seem to be appropriate next to the instructions about changing the auto-archiving settings). But I'm not very experienced with moving pages so first wanted to check whether such archives should have been automatically moved by some other mechanism, or whether the manual check that I'm discussing is already discussed somewhere I haven't found. Thanks, Mgp28 (talk) 13:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Aidan9382-Bot is supposed to fix these sorts of things now (but that task wasn't active when the move had been made). The page Wikipedia:Moving a page doesn't mention auto-archiving settings but [[Wikipedia:Cleaning up after a move does, and I've made some tweaks there. Graham87 (talk) 00:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. That's very helpful. Mgp28 (talk) 00:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 6 November 2023

We would like to change "1079 Life" to "Life FM (Adelaide)" Startybartfast (talk) 05:04, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Liu1126 (talk) 11:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Moving pages that are inaccessible due to technical reasons?

How to move pages that are inaccessible due to technical reasons, i.e. they have certain patterns or characters that have at some point made them inaccessible? For example, BBC: On This Day and BBC: In Concert can't be accessed nor moved because they now redirect to the bbc: wiki. I guess they can be moved with Special:ApiSandbox but when I tried it in another wiki, it gave me an "invalid name" error message or something like that. Are there instructions anywhere how it's done? 2001:14BA:9C98:7100:7DDB:D27C:73FF:4061 (talk) 06:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

This isn't the first time this has happened, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 207 § new fat: project conflicting with a couple English wiki article titles. It is possible to move it using the API, but you need page IDs, not titles, since the title will now be considered invalid for trying to obtain a page. The curids you list are the respective page IDs. Aidan9382 _(talk) 07:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I tried that but it gave me "Caught exception of type MediaWiki\\Page\\PageAssertionException". I'm not sure but maybe it's because I don't have the rights to move a page without leaving a redirect. 2001:14BA:9C98:7100:30AB:1C21:8949:959A (talk) 23:48, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:→" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Wikipedia:→ has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 21 § Wikipedia:→ until a consensus is reached. Nickps (talk) 17:52, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Mass editing backlinks of moved page

Hi,

Recently I moved List of highest points in California by county to List of California county high points and I would like to change the dozens of backlinks to this page to reflect the move. In practice I suppose it doesn't matter because the backlinks target the redirect which ultimately lands on the correct page, but the majority of these backlinks are in the "See also" section in plain text and I would prefer they read the correct title.

Is there an easier way to fix all of these without manually changing everything listed on the "Pages that link here" page? This would take hours for me to do manually and I'd definitely prefer a quicker solution.

Thanks! Pugchump (talk) 19:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pugchump: You should leave them alone, per WP:NOTBROKEN. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Curly apostrophe in Behzod Yoʻldoshev

The title Behzod Yoʻldoshev includes a curly apostrophe (otherwise known as the Devil's work). I went to Move it to Behzod Yo'ldoshev, but the system won't let me as it tells me the target name is the same as the source name. It seems to think that curly and straight apostrophes (and presumably quotes) are identical. Yet the straight version still shows up as a redlink. Huh? What manner of devilry is this?

Can someone please move it, but also do whatever it takes to fix the system so that, at least in titles of articles, curly and straight quotes are differentiated? Thanks -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 06:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I saw no error messages, it was moved so  Done. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 11:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Marked as minor

Why are page moves marked as minor edits? I would think that changing the article's name would be a very significant edit if anything. Dreykop (talk) 06:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)