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Section sizes

Section size for Jim Brown (25 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	12,096	12,096
Early life	2,739	2,739
College career	9,412	9,412
Professional career	14,376	14,376
Acting career	1,310	11,464
Early films	2,045	2,045
Leading man	2,775	2,775
Co-starring	1,795	1,795
Later acting career	3,539	3,539
Civil rights work	8,635	8,635
Other post-football activities	10,531	10,531
Assault allegations	12,688	12,688
Personal life	4,354	6,583
Death	2,229	2,229
In other media	2,113	2,113
Sporting accolades	6,670	6,670
NFL career statistics	381	5,626
Regular season	3,596	3,596
Postseason	1,649	1,649
Filmography	9,058	9,058
See also	412	412
Notes	24	24
References	42	42
Further reading	921	921
External links	3,148	3,148
Total	116,538	116,538

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Multiple arrests

To answer an earlier inquiry regarding Brown's incarceration: he has been arrested numerous times, for charges including domestic violence, battery, assault and even rape. In most cases he was either acquitted or the charges were dropped, though I do believe he did some jail time for vandalizing his wife's vehicle. He has a notoriously quick fuse.

Brown's numerous brushes with the law have somewhat tarnished his legacy here in NE Ohio.

Update: here are a couple of links; hope these help.

Jim Brown was hard to bring down (Biographical sketch, also discusses Brown's apparent "dark side.")

List of arrests (Also lists more acting credits)

I'm not seeing the neutrality of the second source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mellowinman (talk • contribs) 18:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the material about his "dark side" should be included in this article.

I think the bit about not being convicted of a "major crime" really ought to be stricken or expanded because it implies his multiple arrests for violence aren't major. As others have stated, he had a infamously short fuse, and I think were it not for his stardom, he would have been convicted of crimes, particularly today. I realize that arrests and convictions are different things, but perhaps it would be best to change the wording reflect what he was actually convicted with, as opposed to assigning an assessment of the seriousness of the charge. I would argue that domestic abuse is viewed as "major" by most people today, even if it wasn't at the time the alleged offenses occurred. I'm also aware that the NYT article sourced here used the "major crime" wording, though I don't think this biased statement ought to be used here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkughen (talk • contribs) 06:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note that the second source is deprecated per this 2019 RFC. The person who loves reading (talk) 20:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that domestic abuse is viewed as "major" by most people today: While he was arrested, he was not convicted, which is what is sourced to the NYT.—Bagumba (talk) 00:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Brown

There were allegations made about Jim Brown on the current docuseries on A&E about Hugh Hefner and the Playboy mansion. The allegations basically described him as a predator and very violent toward the bunnies at the mansion. 2600:1702:38A0:2E30:D887:14BD:8F70:EC56 (talk) 20:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

need reference specifics HammerFilmFan (talk) 22:45, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It says he's one of the greatest running backs of all time. He's a Tailback, more specifically a Fullback. Not a running back.

Check info 2001:569:F9F6:9B00:D89:61A1:2936:A0A2 (talk) 21:20, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They are both types of running backs. —Bagumba (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CBS COMMENTATOR

why isnt it mentioned he works for CBS as the host of The NFL Today? 155.95.101.64 (talk) 20:55, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you are mistaking him with James Brown? —Bagumba (talk) 08:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Section sizes

As Brown was quite a multi-faceted character, we have the challenge of balancing our coverage of these different aspects. To assist, I have added {{section sizes}} to the templates at the top of this page. This summarises the overall structure of the article and so may help. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:26, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death

Barry Sanders posting on Twitter that "You can't underestimate the impact Jim Brown had on the NFL." Should be "You can't overestimate the impact Jim Brown had on the NFL." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5C2:100:F210:ADEF:9DA5:FA55:ED06 (talk) 02:57, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what the cited source has.[1] —Bagumba (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He meant to say "overestimate". "Underestimate" is an insult. Do the right thing and update it. 2601:5C2:100:F210:ADEF:9DA5:FA55:ED06 (talk) 23:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are any reliable sources altering it? I get your point, but double negatives sometimes run into this problem, where people interpret it differently than maybe what it literally says. —Bagumba (talk) 01:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

One Night in Miami...

Would it be worthwhile to include he was portrayed by Aldis Hodge in the film One Night in Miami...? Scholarlydoubt (talk) 16:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Only if there is a cultural impact. See MOS:CULTURALREFS.—Bagumba (talk) 16:36, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In 1975 Carolyn Freeman Brown was married to Jim Brown They had one child in 1979 named Felicia Brown 2600:1700:5120:1670:C4A2:5C45:C891:64ED (talk) 04:47, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox photo edit war

Pardon me if you are not interested in this issue. A bit of an edit war on the infobox photo. Pinging recent editors: @Bagumba, Neveselbert, Houtyuhn, Hey man im josh, Muboshgu, H.AFI.17, Jimknu, Pickersgill-Cunliffe, Bringingthewood, Carlinal, and Dogloverr16: I find the photo / scan of a trading card File:Jim Brown 1959 Topps cropped and recoloured.jpg, is a much more representative of Jim Brown than the photo recently added: File:JimBrownByPhilKonstantin.jpg. I restored the trading card photo. Should the trading card photo, the JimBrownByPhilKonstantin photo or another be used? Adakiko (talk) 11:30, 13 January 2024 (UTC) Repinging @Jimknutt: - miscopied "Jimknutt" Adakiko (talk) 11:32, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First 2007 photo edit Adakiko (talk) 12:00, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For deceased subjects, bios typically use a picture from their prime as the lead image. For Brown, he's primarily notable as a football player, not a 70-year old senior. —Bagumba (talk) 11:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I understand, it just needs to be based on what it is used for (such as images) Houtyuhn (talk) 12:13, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He did have a notable post-playing life, and a photo like File:Jim_Brown_at_LBJ_Foundation_2014_(cropped).jpg would look pretty good in the infobox as an alternative to a playing photo. I don't have a preference per se, but that this disagreement could be decided by an RfC. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with @Muboshgu, that photo looks good. At least Mr. Brown is smiling! Bringingthewood (talk) 01:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No doubt he was more than a football player. I just think he's still primarily known as a football player, over his acting and activism. I don't understand the concern with the image being lifted from a trading card. —Bagumba (talk) 01:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Boy, would I love to link his place of death. I'll save that for a later date... one war at a time. Bringingthewood (talk) 02:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"War"? Perhaps you are confused. This is not a WP:BATTLEGROUND. If you want to fight a war, enlist in the armed services. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No confusion here. That must have been directed towards the title up there. Bringingthewood (talk) 02:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with @Muboshgu Jim_Brown_at_LBJ_Foundation_2014_(cropped).jpg looks good. Adakiko (talk) 05:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the trading card looks ok enough to stay. It may not be the cleanest image compared to the current head images of, say, Elizabeth II or Pelé, but the subject is still identifiable in the image, the photo was taken in his prime, and Brown is wearing his Browns uniform with the 32 jersey that would be retired in his honor. Few, if not none of the other images illustrate the best of what Jim Brown was most notable for in such a powerful fashion.

Edit: And I should add he was in his early-to-mid 20s in '59, so his youthfulness is another factor. Carlinal (talk) 01:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No Fred Williamson mention. How come??

I have made some entries on his film section with Fred Williamson. It seems very strange to me that given his impact in film that there's no mention of his work with Williamson. They did five films together. The first three also starred martial artist actor Jim Kelly. They were Three the Hard Way (1974), Take a Hard Ride (1975), One Down, Two to Go (1982), Original Gangstas (1996) and On the Edge (2002). Brown and Williamson also appeared in various tv shows incl. CHiPs, the "Roller Disco: Parts 1 & 2" etc.
Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 13:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]