Talk:List of Wimbledon gentlemen's singles champions

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Why have the "not played" columns here and in Wimbledon champions (Ladies' Singles) been removed ? Jay 17:43, 9 October 2003 (UTC)

Because I thought it would be obvious that if those dates were missing a person would realsied their were none. - fonzy

No, he'd think they've been missed out and go looking for them. Why assume things anyway. I reframe my question to : Whats the advantage in blanking out the "not played" information as opposed to keeping it ? Jay 07:40, 20 October 2003 (UTC)

Well I suppose, I think adding a comment at the top would be better (takes up less memory). -fonzy

Done. Jay 11:55, 8 November 2003 (UTC)

Link to Chris Lewis is to a cricket player not tennis player.

Missing tie-break scores...

...in 1973 and 1995. Gdr 2005-07-01 16:49:50 (UTC)

There were no tie-break in 1973: 6-1 9-8 6-3 Avia

Order of Table

Maybe it'd be better to reverse the order of the table, i.e. most recent winners being first.. As in List of Wimbledon Doubles champions. I can do it myself, any objections? Dorinw 2005-07-03

I prefer that you please reverse the order of the table in List of Wimbledon Doubles champions, if you have time. Avia 6 July 2005 07:10 (UTC)

Most recent winners first would be more useful. Paulgush 16:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The graphic is in error with Sweden only being attributed 2 titles when in fact they have 7, 5 from Borg and another 2 from Edberg. 67.184.176.21 15:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Was this ever decided? I think the table with most recent on the top is far more useful than pure chronological. Very few people visiting this page want to know who won the championship in 1887. But lots want to know who won the last few years-- so that info should be near the top. Oopla 8 July 2007 18:57 (UTC)

I agree-- the table would be reversed-- very few people care about pre-open era where people won one match to get the title. Most recent is much more relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.78.117.17 (talk) 17:12, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Flags

Surely it's not correct to have the Irish winners (and runners-up) from the late 19th/early 20th century with the flag of the Republic of Ireland, when at the time it was still part of the UK?

I changed the South African flag to the pre-1994 flag by Kevin Curren's name, I hope that's ok. I don't know if there's a policy about flag use in Wikipedia, but I noticed since the Soviet flag was used for USSR players, then it only followed to use the old South African flag since the country went through such as sea-change in 1994. Bruxism 21:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Also why are the current German flags displayed next to Gottfried von Cramm's name, when the country he was representing at that time was not using that flag? The Nazi flag - red with white disc and black superimposed swastika - should be the one that is displayed, as that was what the official flag was at the time. There is in any case inconsistency given that the Nazi flag is displayed against his name on other pages, such as this page's equivalent for the French Open previous winners. Anyone think the flags should be changed? If so someone else will have to do it as I don't know how.

I would point out that the Soviet Union and Russia are vastly different in size (ie, the soviet football team was mostly ukranians), whereas the same could not be said for either south africa or germany. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.242.247 (talk) 20:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Timeline

Inconsistency with full list. 1970 = Newcombe (correct). Timeline = Kodes

Seedings

Adding columns for the seedings of the champions and runners up would be useful. Paulgush 16:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Kevin Curren

On this article he is South African but on the article for main article for the 1985 Wimbledon Championship he has an American flag next to his name. Which is he? JimmyMac82 10:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Flag Problems

There's a problem with display of US 48 & 50 star flags and Germany, both display as blank in IE and text in Firefox. As I can't see why hopefully someone more knowledgeable will be able to figure it out.

And why is St Patrick's Cross shown for Irish players pre 1900 (presumably someone changed it from the Irish Republic Flag seeing the comment above), can we have some consistency, either use the Union Flag for them (as they were part of the UK at the time) or change the English winners to St George's Cross (likewise for Scottish/Welsh winners if there are any, I didn't check all the entries).

Unless I see some dissent I'll make the change to the Union Flag in a week or so.

Antsnest 21:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Jaroslav Dobry and the Egyptian and Tcheoslovakian Flag

When Dobry played in 1949 he playes for CSSR. After that in the year 1949 he decided to start for egypt.--87.139.66.168 (talk) 16:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Ireland flag

Why is the St Patrick's Cross used for Irish players pre-independence? Shouldn't it be the UK flag, given that we don't use the English, Scottish and Welsh flags for the same time period. Look's like a violation of "do not rewrite history". Could also consider removing any flags for the Irish players, so as not to confuse people. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 17:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually looking at the history if any flag is to be used for that period it should be the The Standard of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland (1801-1922), since it was sometimes used as the official Irish flag under British rule. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Maybe, it doesn't seem to be used in any other sporting articles though. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 18:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Despite the attitude of the time - see Peter O'Connor in 1906 ClemMcGann (talk) 14:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

"United Kingdom" change

User:Don Lope has made major changes to this article today, many for the better, but there is one I strongly disagree with and feel needs to be discussed. I feel the distinction made between United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is pedantic, very confusing and unnecessary. Also, it has had a knock-on effect on the Champions by Country section, a very important and controversial one - namely, implying that the US has won more championships than the UK. This has only happened because the three titles won by Fred Perry have been removed from the UK's total. The suggestion that Perry was playing for a different nation is nonsense - the political status of Ireland is completely irrelevant to an article on Wimbledon champions. While commending User:Don Lope's many improvements and his drive to get this article to Featured List status, I would strongly urge him to reverse this one. I'm also seeking the views of other editors.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I would tend to agree with you especially on the totals implication. My only other observation is that the new color scheme discerning the early years seems a bit dark/harsh. I would think it would look much better if they were at least a notch lighter. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

First of all I would like to point out that I have made this change following the list of champions published on the Wimbledon website ([1]), in which "BRI", referring to United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, is used up to 1922, and "GBR", which refers to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, is used afterwards – I'm only following the sources here. Now, I don't agree we should replace "BRI" by "GBR" in the main list (we must stick to the sources), but I understand the reasoning behind wanting all 35 titles under UK in the "Champions by country" table. After all, the Davis Cup website does add up the titles of the British Isles and Great Britain teams, of the Australasian and Australian teams, or of the West German and German teams (see here). On the other hand, I still think there's something wrong with this type of thing – having Jan Kodeš's Wimbledon win under Czech Republic doesn't seem right at all, as is having Boris Becker mid-eighties' wins counting for unified Germany. I hear your point, but making the distinction between different evolutions of countries seems just more accurate, and less confusing. I am waiting to read more opinions on that problem.

As for the colors, they don't appear dark at all on my computer, but anyway I've already been asked at the FLC review to keep them only on the champion's name, so when that will be done the result will probably appear less harsh. --Don Lope (talk) 23:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps this discussion should take place at the FLC review ? --Don Lope (talk) 23:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

UK in what ever form should be stated in the table in one count--Rockybiggs (talk) 10:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Too many images problem

Shouldn't there be less images in the champions section so the statistics section wouldn't be broken?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I removed the repeated Laver image, is that any better? If not, I'd be bold and remove one of the others if I were you. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:46, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Looks good now, thanks for the change.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 14:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

No worries. I'm browsing on Safari so sometimes I get a very different view of the internet than most of the rest of the world! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Relevancy of the Stadium images

Are the Stadium images relevant to this list? They're not in any of the tables and the captions don't seem that relevant to the singles winners.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 15:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I think they are. Centre court (although perhaps not mentioned) is clearly relevant and a photo of the 2008 final seems fine too. If it isn't messing up the format and it has some level of relevance I see no major problem with them. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:03, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Flag Icons

Do we really need the name abbreviation next to the flag icons? There was talk awhile back of removing the flag icons completely (which I disagreed with) but adding even more to the columns seems unneeded and cluttering to me. If you mouse over the flags the country name comes up so there is really no need to add even more info like the country abbreviation. The flag icon should be enough. Making a sortable separate column is ok but make it <flagicon> not <flag> Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:34, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

You need to ensure that, in whatever way you use flags, you comply with WP:MOSFLAG as this is a featured list... The Rambling Man (talk) 08:04, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I see. I do think it's wrong to use the name but according to mosflag the preferred method is: first time use "flag" and subsequent use "flagicon".....that would look even worse! So if the only choices are always "flag" or first time use "flag" then the former is better. But these articles are worse off for it being that way. Thanks for the clarity and I will let this issue be. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Straight Sets Victory

"This event was won in straight sets during the Open Era only once in 1976 by Björn Borg." Not sure what this means. The table shows it has been won many times in straight sets since it went open. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.28.253.175 (talk) 21:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

It means over the course of the whole tournament, all 7 matches, only Borg won it without losing a set. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Murray's Representation

Why is there a Scottish flag alongside Andy Murray's name? He competes for Great Britain, not Scotland (which is not an independent nation!) If you are to insist on this designation then the flags beside the likes of Austin and Perry need to be changed accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.158.219 (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Given the Wimbledon website lists him as British, I am going to change this back.

Hawkin.andrew (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Lots of politically motivated alterations have been made. Someone has been systematically trying to change Murray's nationality to Scottish and all previous British winners to English. In fact, there now seems to be an edit war going on with Murray's nationality being flipped back and forth between British and Scottish... Very tiresome. The page should be locked.

• We have MOS:FLAG for a reason. All those stupid flags should go. There is no national representation at Wimbledon. Mindy Dirt (talk) 19:19, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 July 2013

Andy Murray nationality needs to be changed from Scottish to British Summlard (talk) 18:46, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Already listed as British. NiciVampireHeart 12:26, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Inappropriate for Wikipedia to predict a winner

In the 'Champions' section there is an image of Roger Federer serving and beneath it a caption which reads: 'Roger Federer won seven Wimbledon championships of the nine finals he reached.' This clearly implies that he did not win the other two finals he reached. This may prove to be incorrect.

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