Talk:Peperoncino

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the correct italian spelling is peperoncino and peperone —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.180.107.182 (talk • contribs) 09:51, 14 September 2004.

Very misconceived idea of italian food

In Italy, PEPERONE and PEPERONCINO, are two completely different things. They do share a similar name and they do belong to the same plant family, but they taste completely different and they are used in different dishes. You cannot put peperoncino in a recipe with peperone or viceversa. It would be like putting fish instead of beef or beef instead of fish, saying "hey, but they both are muscular tissue taken from the corpse of a vertebrate".

This is why the "The pepperoncini (Italian peperone, peperoncino), also known..." statement is wrong.

Another thing: we don't EVER put peperone in pizza.
Neither corn.
Neither pineapple.
Neither little funny cubes or slices of cooked ham (We do put raw ham, but AFTER the cooking of the pizza, and in whole pig's-butt-section-sized slices, like 100x200x0.5 millimeters).
Neither what english speaking people call "pepperoni", that is the round cold cut (except from pizza alla diavola, which has "salamino piccante" and/or "olio piccante")—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.174.19.32 (talk • contribs) 05:46, 9 February 2007.

Ma che dici, of course we put bell peppers on our pizza. We're not savages, right? We're known for putting healthy toppings on our pizza and weird stuff like squid :). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.246.93 (talk) 23:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I always thought peperoncini were the small, really hot chili peppers that are used in e.g. pasta all'arrabbiata etc. In Sweden, peperoni refers to the larger, pickled chili peppers that are used as kebab toppings (and sometimes pizza...). Peperoncini is the diminutive of peperoni, right? MagnusW (talk) 03:57, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Misconceived idea of italian food

We don't use "peperoni" in every food: mainly grilled or grated ("peperonata") by theirselves, or with chicken ("Pollo alla diavola").

We do use chili peppers ("peperoncini") for heat, in a range from 5.000 to 50.000 Scoville units, but their use is concentrated in southern and middle Italy.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.243.7.239 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 21 October 2005.

Banana peppers

Banana peppers don't seem to be associated with pepperoncini anywhere else on the internet (see here for example. I'm breaking the redirect to here. -- cmh 22:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

The only time I've seen pepperocinos as "banana peppers" was on a Subway vegetable menu. Calicore 06:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Added link to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friggitello. Heidismiles

Who is copying who?

This site's definition is nearly word-for-word the same as the one found here. [1]

I'd guess that Wikipedia's terms would allow for that site to copy the definition, but I'm curious if they copied Wikipedia's definition or if the author of the Wikipedia article copied theirs. --66.77.124.61 20:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Very misleading and inaccurate article

Peperoncini are NOT sweet: they range from 15000 to 50000 Scoville Units. They are not used in salad: Peperoni are used instead, which are sweet (0-100 Scoville Units).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.185.130.8 (talk) 13:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

I've restored the Scoville scale data to it's previous version and added an "expert" tag to the article to attract the necessary attention. The Pepperoncini sold where I live are not very hot at all. I think this disagreement probably has more to do with the names used in English speaking countries than the relative 'heat' of the peppers... also it might have something to do with the effect of pickling. We need definite, clear sources on this, and That's why I think an expert is needed to sort this out. Robotman¹⁹⁷⁴ 14:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think it's merely a linguistical issue. In Italy, where I live, peperoncini are very hot, while peperoni are not (that might be the alleged "sweet italian peppers").

So maybe it would be better to remove the italian translation, that is actually the only misleading part.

It seems that in english speaking countries they call "pepperoncini" what we call "peperoni", that is the sweet italian peppers, while we call "peperoncino" (plural "peperoncini") what in english speaking countries they call chili. This is true in all regions of Italy.

My final suggestion to fix this is:

- Put the heat value back to 0

- Remove the "(Italian peperoncino)" phrase

In alternative, instead of removing that, we could say that ethymologically it comes from italian "peperoncino", due to italian immigration to the USA at the beginning of the last century and equivocal translations due to idiomatic issues; but that now is a 'false friend' word, and that actually the italian word for that has always been "peperone", while "peperoncini" are the thin and hot chili that grow in southern Italy.

Still, I don't feel like doing such changes since my english is not good enough for encyclopedical purposes...

155.185.130.8 11:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)Italian guy

Seems like a very good solution. All we need now is references. Thanks for your help. Robotman¹⁹⁷⁴ 14:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Robotman - well, usual problem of finding references in English for common non-english names. Personally, as a mothertongue Italian speaker, I can confirm on the Italian use, but trying to find a published reference in English for the common usage of a common Italian word may well be hopeless. There are the pages of the Accademia del Peperoncino, with the comment that the classification of the varieties of Capsicum Annuum is a mess and that the apparently famous Tom Stobart suggests to just give up and use local names. Then I found this page in English which confirms other Italians wrote above, but is even less academic :-). The WP-IT page on Capsicum Annuum has no sources. An online IT/EN dictionary does [2] and [3]. Robotman (or someone else), could you please have a look at the links and decide which ones to put in the page? Sergio Ballestrero 18:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to be a spoil-sport here, but I think the confusion in the American-English world is even larger than ItalianGuy suggests: In my native Southern California, 'pepperoncini' is not a sweet pepper but certainly a spicy pickled pepper. I don't know 'pe(p)peroni' at all here. Tom Stobart (referenced by Sergio B.) might be right and there might be an additional East Coast vs. West Coast difference or similar. British English is different again, in the UK we never see 'pepperoncini': the most similar thing is a 'golden green pepper', which is less spicy. Dirkjot 19:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Some "pickled Italian pepper" products sold in the US are very spicy indeed, some are not. We cannot be certain that these are the same cultivar, as they are only visible sliced into rings and we are uncertain what they looked like before they were cut up. But they appear to be approximately the same size as those labeled "pepperoncini." The golden or pale yellowish-green ones are not very spicy and taste like a salty preserved vegetable. Some of the red and green sliced pickled peppers are considerably warmer. The labels all just say "pepperoncini" and the lists of contents are are unenlightening. "Ingredients: sliced peppers, salt, vinegar." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.148.105.4 (talk) 19:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Banana pepper...

A banana pepper is not the same thing as a pepperocini...

At Subway sandwich chains, these peppers are called banana peppers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.199.155.32 (talk) 19:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm Italian and at this point we should just include the English definition of pepperoncini since it seems to be somewhat different than the Italian one. Keep the information on Italian food on the Italian page so we avoid snooty comments :). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.246.93 (talk) 23:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Merge with Peperoncino

There's already an article on this pepper under the singular name ( Peperoncino ), which is probably more correct to use. Shouldn't these two be merged? NaySay 17:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Not really. Pepperoncini, as defined here, are what the English-American speaking world would call pickled bell peppers - peperoncino (or peperoncini) are what is known in North America as chilli pepper. Gioland71 (talk) 01:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

And there's a separate article for Italian sweet pepper, which looks as though it might be a US term for the fresh fruit of this cultivar? In which case, merging this article into that one might help reduce the conflict with the hot peppers? FlagSteward (talk) 19:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm opposed, per Gioland71. This is a separate and distinct food product.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Move

There is no double p in peperoncini. I have moved the article to the correct name. --Trovatore (talk) 22:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

It's actually spelled both ways, but "one p" has the edge. It's possible the Google results on the "two p" version may have been skewed by Wikipedia.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 15:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Pepperoncini or peperoncini

Is the proper English spelling "pepperoncini" or "peperoncini"? The two are happily mixed up, so does it matter at all? This should be mentioned in the article. RedJimi (talk) 16:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, also article title and lead should be consistent, it's just confusing. 123.225.100.9 (talk) 02:28, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

OK, I converted all "pepperoncini" > "peperoncini", and suggested the alternative spelling in the lead. If you think that "pepperoncini" is the main spelling, the article should be moved (i.e. renamed) to reflect that. Thanks. 123.225.100.9 (talk) 02:33, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge with Bell pepper?

How Peperonchini is different from Bell peppers? Is this difference enough to warrant two articles?Dosinovsky (talk) 12:05, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

They're totally different. Bell peppers aren't spicy, while peperonchini is. It would be like merging oranges with lemons, or apples with pears, because of visual similarities.--46.59.34.72 (talk) 04:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Complete rewrite of article

I've just completely rewritten the article and came up with reliable sources. I hope this fixes the problems you all had with this article. I will migrate the content of the old article to a new article on Italian sweet peppers under the title Peperone. I will probably do so in the coming days. Also, I intend to move this article to Peperoncino because that title is the singular and "peperoncini" is the plural. We don't usually use the plural as the article title. If there are any comments or objections I'd like to hear it. --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 19:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Actually, I've just migrated and rewritten the content of the old version of this article to Italian sweet pepper, which should be moved to Friggitello soon.

Requested move 29 March 2015

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Friggitello → Peperoncino – A previous move attempt I requested (through a db-move template, because a redirect page was in the way) went wrong when an admin tried to perform it. Could another admin please fix this? – AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 17:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). EdJohnston (talk) 18:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Admin note: This needs a more complete explanation. If you can say what the problem was that made a move necessary and how it should be fixed, this might be closed without needing a full seven days. As it stands, the situation is confusing. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 18:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: I seem to understand what has happened. This page is about Italian chilli peppers, called peperoncini in Italian. There is another page, Italian sweet pepper, which is about what Italians called friggitelli. The confusion is that Americans often refer to friggitelli (golden-coloured pickled sweet peppers) as "peperoncini", despite this being entirely incorrect. Someone made a technical request to move Italian sweet pepper to friggitello, as "Italian sweet pepper" is both vague and misleading. Instead of that occurring, the administrator moved the peperoncino article, not about the golden-coloured peppers, to friggitello. Essentially, Italian sweet pepper should be at friggitello, and this article should be returned to peperoncino. RGloucester — ☎ 18:14, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Yep, RGloucester has nailed that. Peperoncino is a type of small hot chilli, which in Tuscany is called zenzero (confusing, because that means ginger in the rest of Italy); Friggitelli are larger chilli peppers with almost no heat. They are not sweet peppers (though for all I know they may belong to the same species or whatever). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:30, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

So please add:

Italian sweet pepper → Friggitello

Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

@EdJohnston, what RGloucester says is correct. For context please see this and this talk page. In summary, I rewrote the articles formerly called Peperoncini and Italian sweet pepper. However, Peperoncini is the plural and Peperoncino is the singular, so I requested a move to the latter correct title. At the same time I also requested a move of the article Italian sweet pepper to Friggitello, which is the more specific and correct name for that kind of pepper. However, another admin mixed up the two moves, moving Peperoncini to Friggitello. I communicated with him, but so far he has not been able to fix the situation. --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 20:53, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

So: the moves originally desired were:

Italian sweet pepper → Friggitello,

Peperoncini → Peperoncino.

But before I can get started I need to move Friggitello back to Peperoncini. It appears that Friggitello was an unused term before the sequence of moves started. Let me know if any of this is not correct. EdJohnston (talk) 03:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: All correct. If you need justification for the move to the singular, that's supported by WP:AT at WP:SINGULAR. RGloucester — ☎ 04:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. As noted by those who support moving the variety of Italian hot pepper called "Peperoncini" in Italian to Peperoncini, the fact is that in English "Peperoncini" most commonly refers to a variety of Italian sweet pepper distinct from the one meant in Italian. We use English on the English Wikipedia; the common meaning in English is what matters. The title Peperoncini ought to hold either the article currently at Italian sweet pepper, with a hatnote, or else it ought to be a disambiguation page. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 05:49, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

This doesn't make any sense. First of all, the "English usage" you speak of is restricted to America, and not found elsewhere in the Anglophone world. Second of all, this is just about returning the articles to the status quo. At present, this article has the wrong name. These chilis are called "peperoncini", and that's what this article has been about. They are never called "friggitelli". The golden peppers are called "friggitelli", and that's what Italian sweet pepper is about. RGloucester — ☎ 06:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Agree with what RGloucester says. Even if many use the incorrect name to refer to the friggitello, there are also plenty of English sources (referenced in both articles) which use the correct name. And Italians do use the term correctly of course, which is important because this article is so centered on Italian cuisine. I think it's Wikipedia's job to educate its (American) English readers as well. Once both articles are moved to the correct names, I'll make sure to add a hatnote as you ask to make the distinction even more clear (which is already discussed in the introductory paragraph of this article). --AlexanderVanLoon (talk) 08:36, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

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Pickled salad peppers

I realize we don't wnat Wikipedia to be too Americentric, but shouldn't there be at least SOME mention of what we call Pepperoncini? The small yellow-green peppers, usually pickled in a sharp garlicky brine, similar to that used in dill pickles, but with dill optional. eaten in salads, often offered alongside pizza, sold in jars. I want to know precisely what cultivar of peppers they are, so I can try to find them raw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.31.84 (talk) 06:25, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I've changed Pepperoncini and Pepperoncini pepper to take you to the right article now. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:25, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Why is this its own article?

From the description at the top of the page, it seems this is just the Italian name for chili peppers. If that's the case, I see very little point to this not being merged into the main article for chili peppers. If it isn't, and is instead its own unique breed or set of breeds of chili peppers, then it should be directly stated.71.34.95.129 (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

American usage

This article should more prominantly note the American usage (with a link to Friggitello)—I recommend a about-style tag at the top of the page, to help those looking for the pickled yellow pepper find what they're looking for; a footnote is hardly helpful for the uninitiated when the terminology is inherently ambiguous. The Jade Knight (talk) 04:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I added a link to the top of the page. Heidismiles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:1500:B30:A0AC:B319:3344:C35A (talk) 00:41, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

The main problem with this page is that it appears to be an Italian language page masquerading as an English language page. The topic currently discussed in the article is the Italian language meaning of "peperoncino" but this is English Wikipedia so everyone except Italian speakers are confused because they are expecting an article about the English language meaning of the same word. The lede even references this problem with the paragraph starting "In the English-speaking world, peperoncini are usually [...]" (the lede is treating the English meaning as foreign because the article is written from Italian language perspective despite this being English Wikipedia). This would be like going to the English WP Camera article and instead of getting an article about a device that takes photographs or video, it is an article about what a room is ("camera" means room in Italian). This is English Wikipedia, thus the article is supposed to be about the English word, not the Italian word (just because Italian has a false friend for the English term does not mean the Italian term takes precedence over English on English Wikipedia). — al-Shimoni (talk) 07:33, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 5 November 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus and thus not moved. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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Peperoncino → Chili peppers in Italy – This article is about the Italian word "Peperoncino", which means "chili pepper" - it:Peperoncino is interlanguage linked to Chili pepper. In American English, Peperoncino refers to the specific variety of pepper at Friggitello, that should be the primary topic. User:力百 (alt of power~enwiki, π, ν) 02:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. VR _talk 02:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Megan B.... ^{It’s all coming to me} till the end of time 17:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

• Support, maybe have a DAB at Peperoncino listing "Friggitello" and "Chili peppers in Italy".--Ortizesp (talk) 18:39, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. No evidence presented to show what, if anything, is the WP:COMMONNAME. If American English uses "peperoncino" for friggitelli then American English is simply wrong; they are completely different things. But what source states that it does? Our friggitello article says that they may be called "pepperoncini" in the United States. That is a kind of portmanteau of "pepper" and "peperoncino"; it is not an Italian word, nor is it a word in English English. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:14, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
  • I am saying that the current title is in the Italian language (violating WP:USEENGLISH), and invites unholy synthesis between "material in Italian on chili peppers" and "material on chili peppers in Italy", as well as content-forking from chili pepper. For sourcing, here's one: [4] While they go by the name pepperoncini in the United States, they should not be confused with Italian peperoncini, a general term for hot and sweet chili peppers—such as Calabrian chilies.. User:力百 (alt of power~enwiki, π, ν) 00:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
    • That's more of a content issue than a title issue though—blindlynx (talk) 04:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
• oppose moving to reflect american usage goes against MOS:COMMONALITY, give the article a hatnote instead—blindlynx (talk) 20:55, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

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