Talk:Toomas Hendrik Ilves

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Vandalism

I would like to report vandalism from IP 212.7.18.70 who is removing references which are not favorable for Ilves. Refernces are:

from Russian version of this page ^[1]^[2]

Most recent interview of Ilves ^[3]

How to prevent removal of these items from wikipage?

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People's Party

People's Party was centrist-agarian, and Toomas Henrik Ilves was never a conservative. He was and are center-leftist in his life in America. Well, now a socialdemocrat. At least the media interviews in Estonian media about People's Party and his political background subject prove it. People's Party joined in 1999 with Moderates. And they had a united parties magazine since 1998 and united electoral cartel in the 1999. Parliament Election in Estonia.

Ilves is a Karaim: http://www.karaites.org/hatikva.mp3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.126.101.134 (talk) .

The last unsubstianted claim was removed by [[1]]. Restored the talk page to original condition. --Magabund 13:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clossius, why do you keep removing those things from talk page? Let the offending IP be visible for all. Why vandalize talk pages? --Magabund 07:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because the link (even if it were not broken) and the contents of the message constitute nothing but personal livel, which per Wikipedia policy must be removed immediately, even disregarding the 3RR rule, even including on talk pages. But as you keep putting it back, I have to raise the issue otherwise. Clossius 08:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not surprised to find out that User:Clossius has fallen into troubles again. May-be some people are naturally unlucky:(Constanz - Talk 08:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I must say I am surprised to find User:Constanz on the anti-semitic and anti-Ilves side; it just shows he is so aggressive that he is abandoning his own political biases that otherwise motivate his edits here. Clossius 08:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

how do you conclude that I oppose Ilves? another 'interpretation' close to your way of deduction (may-be I should say, your opposition to me?). I was merely pointing out that you got into troubles with yet another anti-anti-semite here.--Constanz - Talk 08:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I conclude that by your supporting to have an (anyway not working) anti-semitic attack (allegedly from Keskkerakond) stand. Just to report this, as you may know, constitutes slander - and it makes anyway no sense. I think the personal animus here is clearly against me and by you; I tried to be civil, but to no avail.Clossius 09:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I know your civility (accusations of 'slander', 'bias' whatever) beforehand. The link here - merely talk page - only might have been useful to illustate the level of Estonia's debate. No matter, I haven't read this crap, kesknädal 'caricatures' told everything..Constanz - Talk 09:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't think if it as libel. Just some unsigned troll and thats it. No need to remove it IMHO. --Magabund 09:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the trolling garbage is usually not deleted, and worse, if a revert war over such useless a matter follows. In fact, Keskerakond media really hinted on Ilves' 'jewish connections' (it was written by 'centrist' lawyer Hando Leps that Ilves is 'an adventurer of a Russian-Jewish descent' and not legally a citizen by birth of Estonia. etc--Constanz - Talk 09:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we can add category Presidents who edit Wikipedia or something like that. It seems that those edits [[2]] are made by the subject himself. --Magabund 08:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody removed my comment, restored it and add that the edits I was talking about are made in succession and one of them reads: (As the person described I eliminated false and nonsensical information). So why not ask him, if he is "the person described"? --Magabund 20:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's hardly 'the person described'. The IP is from the Lebanon.--Constanz - Talk 09:02, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are clearly looking at wrong place, check RIPE:

role: ESTPAK NOC address: Elion Enterprises Ltd. address: Hostmasters and NOC helpdesk address: Sole str 14, Tallinn address: Estonia

In fact the address is from DSL pool. --Magabund 09:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Youngest president

Hello. If he was born in 1953, presidents of Montenegro Filip Vujanović (b.1954), Serbia Boris Tadić (b.1958), Republic of Macedonia Branko Crvenkovski (b.1962) and Bulgaria Georgi Purvanov (b.1957) are younger. PajaBG 22:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True; must be "European Union", not "Europe". Changed that. Clossius 06:17, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Youngest Elected?

When Tony Blair was elected as UK Prime Minister in May 1997, he was only 44; and as some of those heads of state above are even younger whilst in mind-servitude, Iives is not the youngest elected anything. SKC 02:39, September 24th 2006 (UTC)

Well, Blair is not the Head of State, the Queen is. Anyway, this statement is about the presence, not the past, i.e. he is the youngest elected ~~European~~ European Union Head of State now serving. That's also not OR but documented in the sources listed. Clossius 05:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, sorry for my "ignorance", I was merely trying to state that he (Blair) was younger upon election, and in my ambition to do so, misinterpreted, apologies. A "wee" correction: present not presence. SKC 22:15, September 25th 2006

Incumbent

The infobox says "Incumbent", when Ilves isn't really in office yet. I don't know how to fix this, could someone help replace it with "President-elect"? --Rain74 05:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

done Jpe|ob 09:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Real photo?

Is that his real photo, as there is a very striking resemblance to Phil Hartman. 69.158.154.38 22:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is his real photo. Kystilla 19:17, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Estonian language?

A previously 'stateless' but long term resident of Estonia friend of mine who used up all savings and struggled for years to learn Estonian complains that the president was not born in Estonia and probably has not passed the Estonian language tests that other people are being forced to do to hold down public office in Estonia. Does anyone know if this is true? This article confirms he was not born in Estonia and was not a long term resident either - so how come he is president? Ray3055 (talk) 12:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His parents were Estonian citizens before Soviet occupation. This is how the continuity is established. My parents were born in Estonian SSR and they had to prove their parents were pre-war citizens (it was the same for me as I was born in 1981), Sweden and Estonian SSR are equal in this respect. Also, in this case language is not an issue, look at the Russian Old-Believers for example. Oth (talk) 13:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I noticed about his parents; so presume that makes him an Estonian citizen, but don't the rules for public office require the language test for everyone? I see also that he worked for RFE in Estonian section so presume he must have some knowledge of Estonian - but haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. It just seemed odd to me, given the language rules that apply to long-term residents - who in the UK for example wouild have been entitled to British citizenship after just 4 years.Ray3055 (talk) 16:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since Ilves was elected to the office of the President of Estonia, his Estonian language skills would have been tested every day by his political supporters and opponents. Do you really believe someone with no english language skills would ever be able to get a job in the Metropolitan Police Service or ambulance service in the UK? If not, why the double standard? Martintg (talk) 02:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Estonian President's Estonian is fluent but halting. Handles himself well in English, but stumbles and leaves somewhat of an inept impression in Estonian, almost insecure. The suggestion that he speaks Latvian seems dubious and even the "fluent Spanish" claim seems a little suspect. Sean Maleter (talk) 12:13, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits

Someone repeatedly inserts a passage that he does not know Russian. Is that correct? Frankly speaking, I do not think this is relevant, especially since he knows six other European languages.Biophys (talk) 03:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The edits stating that Ilves "is not planning to learn Russian" are clearly all about POINT and using WP as BATTLEGROUND against the Estonian language policies that protect the Estonian language, a language of 1 million people. Knowingly many Soviet era immigrants in Estonia are very unhappy with the policy since after the collapse of communism and USSR they lost their privilege to speak in Russian only everywhere in Estonia. Now they'd need to learn another language, the language of the people among they have chosen to live but some think this, learning Estonian is discrimination. Instead they think everybody including the president of Estonia should learn Russian and in case this is not happening, they come to WP and make their POINT and complain about it. Therefore, all these edits that use WP as BATTLEGROUND should be reverted ASAP.--98.212.196.116 (talk) 04:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be clearly interested in Ilves's refusal and not obssessed with stalking editors you don't like, you could click a little blue linky provided after the statement you question and read for yourself. Ilves's attitude looks extremely weird for Canada, where Francophones are much less than 30% of population but every PM is bilingual (our current PM learnt French after his party won elections, as it was unthinkable that country's leader is not bilingual). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.21 (talk) 17:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

French is an official state language in Canada (like Spanish and English are two official state languages in US). Russian is NOT an official state language of Estonia, if I understand correctly. That is one important difference. France did not exterminate a significant part of Canadian populatation in recent history. That is another important difference.Biophys (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

President of Estonia

According to the Constitution of Estonia -

§ 84. Ametisseastumisega lõpevad Vabariigi Presidendi volitused ja ülesanded kõigis valitavates ja nimetatavates ametites ning ta peatab ametisoleku ajaks oma erakondliku kuuluvuse. Official webpage of the President of Estonia
(Article 84 states that upon assuming the Presidency, the President relinquishes all of his or her other official positions. He or she must also suspend membership in any political party.) Consitution of the Republic of Estonia - The President of the Republic

Karabinier^Talk 11:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

managed "Literary Storefront", Vancouver BC, early '80s

Just a minor item but maybe belongs in career section, along with his role as a poet while in North America....I met him at least once, as he was a close associate of my friend Wayne Holder, an American expat then living in Vancouver. This memoir of the Literary Storefront by poet Mona Fertig mentions him and his role in the Storefront in passing, perhaps there's more out there...a google for "Wayne Holder" will also bring up links to the Hoover Archives' "Holder Papers", which deal with Estonian literature and political resistance etc, which may be worthwhile as an article. If Mr Ilves or his aides monitor this article perhaps there's more they could add in the way of citations/suggestions...adn if Wayne Holder or one of his associates happesn to read this, please email me with the link at left on userpage.Skookum1 (talk) 19:44, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the Mona Fertig memoir can now be found archived by Wayback Machine. Another page on the same website quoting Mona. 50.68.41.27 (talk) 07:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ärma farm and corruption

There is no mention of Ilves' Ärma farm and corruption related to that. The topic of his 'questionable' transactions spans two decades (starting with an apartment he privatized for about 8000 kroons in the 1990s and sold for 2 mil less than a year later) and has been widely reported in the newspapers. As a result, I believe it deserves coverage. 90.191.91.177 (talk) 14:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

PR

Is his leadership considered authoritarian? Mr. Guye (talk)

@Mr. Guye: Your question is rather condescending. Estonia is a proper democratic country. In a parliamentary democracy like Estonia, the president has even less power than compared to, for example, the US. -- intgr [talk] 13:44, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

intgr I'm sorry if I offended you. I asked this because there appears to be an authoritarian European country according to this image, and since I was seeing it on mobile, I could not tell which one it was. Again, I apologize if I offended you. --Mr. Guye (talk) 17:06, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr. Guye: LOL. We're not taking personal offense but that question did seem to come out of nowhere.

This might help: Politics_of_Belarus#Presidential_rule. — Jeraphine Gryphon ^(talk) 21:14, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Estonian American

It's pretty obvious that Mr. Ilves is Estonian American - even though he was born in Sweden, he was raised and educated in America and speaks fluent English with an American accent. All the dates in this article should be changed to mm.dd.yy format and the relevant categories should be added. Heepman1997 (talk) 08:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why? Ilves renounced the US citizenship (and thus the US date format) over 25 years ago. --Nug (talk) 23:15, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from linking to president.ee

Evidently, the Bureau of Estonian President has a weird IT policy that basically initiates massive link rot and replaces all data about the previous president with the new one as soon as elections are over. Currently, most of the references in this article have become obsolete and have to be replaced by links to Internet Archive. I shall add similar warning to the talk page of the new president, Kersti Kaljulaid. --Oop (talk) 13:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Krugman?

Why is there nothing about his twitter feud with Paul Krugman (which received a lot of coverage in English-language media, and was even turned into an opera)? -- AnonMoos (talk) 01:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Ильвес: говорить по-русски — признавать жестокость оккупации

[2] Estonia's view of Kremlin 'meddling'. By Tim Whewell. BBC News

[3] "Ex-President of Estonia: Ukrain wants to join NATO? You have to join EU first".

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