Talk:Motörhead/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

The following discussion is an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made here. No further edits should be made to this page.

Genre

Yes, I know they're not a heavy metal band, but they are percieved as such by a lot of people. There have been numerous discussions about this, but until some final conclusion is made, lets leave it at heavy metal. Roda 19:52, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Most people would classify them as heavy metal or speed metal. NOT rock and roll. It really doesn't matter what the band thinks - Slipknot can think they are metal, but that won't make them metal, right? Same thing goes for these guys. Musically it is so similar to speed/heavy metal, and unlike rock and roll (in it's speed and distorted-ness, etc.) So to whomever finds it necessary to change to genre to rock and roll, stop, or you will be reported for revert abuse.

i changed it back so that "rock" wasnt there i hope they dont revert it again--Valf 22:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, leave it as Metal. Just who are the gods who decree what is metal or not? For arguments sake, how come Motorhead appear on every "Metal" compilation ever produced (usually Ace Of Spades) and every documentary about Heavy Metal ever produced has an interview with Lemmy? I've always classed it as Heavy Metal, maybe out of convenience, because Hard Rock is so broad. I mean, it could be Slade ffs! As for Lemmy saying they are "just rock n' roll" - he probably learnt from an early age not to enter into any pointless arguments about genre which, at the end of the day, does not matter. 193.238.233.2 14:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Just thought it'd be good to mention that they are considered to be proto-thrash metal (as it is mentioned in the article on thrash metal). IMHO, classifying them as hard rock (as somebody did it) is at least strange, but I didn't remove it. 83.237.200.102 12:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Although I try to steer away from comments about Motorhead's genre (a whole supermarket of worm cans), it is interesting to note that I went into the loft the other day and retrieved a video from 1990 called Hard N' Heavy – it was a Thrash Metal Special and contained... guess who? Yes, Motorhead! Make of that what you will. Bubba hotep 12:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Who added "hard rock" to the genre? They aren't hard rock at all. For example, Guns'n'Roses are hard rock, Deep Purple are hard rock, "Load"-era Metallica are hard rock, and so on. But Motorhead's style is so different from these (especially in their speed, agression and above-mentioned "distorted-ness") that they are doubtlessly metal. Heavy metal, speed metal, whatever metal, but NOT hard rock.

One Bold Step: Moving this line to discussion page:

AC/DC referred to Motörhead as,"the only band louder than us". 

It just doesn't seem like it belongs here. Not gonna just nix it, because certainly its verity holds a certain amount of weight, and should not be dismissed lightly. Would have posed this to the discussion page before removing it from the article, but since there was not yet a discussion page for this article I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that no one's going to give too much of a fuck. Discuss. - :)Ozzyslovechild 01:31, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've listened to AC/DC. These guys are a lot better. They have a type of GG Allin cocky-attitude crap lyric, mixed with a bit of judas priest and metallica. Mixed with some awesome guitar riffs. I'm glad I found this band. This is rock and roll. --Cyberman 07:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say they were better than the 'head, just different! When you talk about 70s and 80s 'metal', these two names are bound to come up. Basically, because they are legends. 193.238.233.2 15:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Most of Motorhead's songs greatly differ from what they usually call "heavy metal". I suggest adding "speed metal" and "thrash metal" to the genre list. Vast majority of their songs belong to speed metal (earlier ones) or proto-thrash metal (later ones), and they have a number of almost pure thrash songs as well. Some people consider them to be speed-thrash (like Metallica, with the difference that Metallica intentionally mixed thrash with speed metal, while Motorhead are a band playing speed metal which is close to thrash - but not thrash yet).

As those two bands are what LOUDNESS means in mainstream metal (if i may call them like that because of their popularity), I think it is a needed citation Sickboy3883 25 Oct 2006

It should be deleted

I think Motörhead doesn't need to be compared to AC/DC.

Compilations

* The Chase Is Better Than The Catch (2000; compilation)
* Over The Top - The Rarities (2000; compilation)
* All The Aces (2001; compilation)

These are not official compilations, so they can't be put in the official discography. - Roda, 17:02, July 13, 2005 (UTC).

Bootlegs and other non official works are usually included in the discographies. Although it should be made clear what they're official status is. - 81.179.72.27 17:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Blue letter day

With a small and fairly rubbish article on Pete Gill, the page now has no dead links. Alf 00:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Singles

• In reply to my email asking about the status of copyright on lyrics, I received this reply from the webmaster of Motorhead's Official Site "All of the songs are copyrighted and there would be a problem reproducing them. However, we do provide them on the official site at www.imotorhead.com. Maybe you could just link to them?". I will attempt further personal communication later this year. Alf 10:19, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• Grammarians - The titles of the albums, singles and EPs are 'as is', even if the English is wrong, that's what their titles are. Alf 18:27, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Template

I'm working on a template for the discography, I must admit, it's a bit garish and big, it's in my sandbox, if people would like to comment here, I'd be grateful. Thanks. Alf 11:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Template added, no longer in my sandbox, please comment anyway. Alf 14:53, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I expanded the template by adding the former members. I hope you like it. Roda 19:19, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Yup that's fine by me, Rick Block gave his advice to keep it minimal and if you'd seen what I'd made, you'd agree! It's still nice and tidy. Rick did that one for free! Alf ^melmac 20:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I notice the template found it's way to Eddie, so I put it on Philthy as well - as they, with the man, are the classic line-up. I'm hesistant about putting on the other guys, although Wurzel is tempting me. POV check please. Alf ^melmac 20:46, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Nice article

I enjoyed this article - nice work.

Clean up of the History section

The main reason why I added the clean up template is because the section is really not written in a quality manner.For example: the bigger half of the section is about the "classic era" of the band (1976-1982). Second, Pete Gill is not even mentioned (Phil Taylor quits in 1983 in one sentence, but he is fired in 1992 in a following sentence). The trouble with record labels - for more than 10 years the band had trouble finding a "normal" label (1984 - 1994/5). For the reasons stated, I think this section should be completely rewritten and expanded. (In my opinion, the section should be modeled by the Metallica page) User:Roda 19 December, 2005 22:09 (UTC)

You're quite right, by comparison it needs a big re-write, I'm copying the section to a new sandbox, Phil did leave in 1983, he realised his mistake, rejoined the band and was fired in 1992. I'll make that clearer somehow. If anyone wants to help expand and play with it there for a bit, that would be good. Alf ^melmac 22:22, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

School is over by the end of the week, and since I'll have 3 weeks off, I'll try to write a completely new article. User:Roda 20 December, 2005 08:07 (UTC)

This is looking pretty good now ... at least to me. I suggest that the cleanup tag be removed, but will await views on this before doing so. One thing the "history" section could do with is a bit more structure, i.e. some sub-headings, etc., but that's not so much a cleanup issue. Metamagician3000 09:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Lineups

There is now a template for this, using Burridge's numbering. I've added it to the discography article and replaced the raw mark up in this article. It may also serve on other sub pages when they are written.--Alf ^melmac 15:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

2006 discussion

line numer 6 and number 8 are the same: Lemmy, Phil Campbell, Wurzel, and "Philthy Animal" Taylor.

yes that's how they are listed in the Collector's Guide to Motorhead (which was written by Alan Burridge, who also runs the Motorheadbangers, the official motorhead fan club), essentially the choice of Pete Gill in the interim didn't work out and they got Phil back. --Alf ^melmac 13:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

PS if we do change the line up numbers then we have to carefully follow the same for the line up references in the discography listings too. --Alf ^melmac 14:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

already did all of that

2007 discussion

lists Wallis and Clarke. Elsewhere we say that Wallis quit during Clarke's audition sessions. If the two of them never played on any records or concerts together they shouldn't be listed as a lineup imho. --kingboyk 16:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Lineup #4 says Kilmister, Clarke, Taylor. Bubba hotep 16:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, I meant #3 (I think :)). --kingboyk 17:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

All line up numbers were taken from Alan Burridge's The Illustrated Collector's Guide To Motörhead when I created the blue panel, if you wish, delete it and all refs to it if it's more problematic than good. It was always intended to go with the detailed Motorography I've been working on, that's getting harder and harder to complete though.--Alf ^melmac 17:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't want to delete it without being sure they didn't play any shows. I suspect the guide you used has them as a lineup because they played together in the audition sessions but that's a bit too "geeky" for a general interest encyclopedia I think :)...

Congrats on the work you've done here, the band are quite well documented on Wikipedia I think. --kingboyk 17:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

PS Just a thought, but maybe you should put a footnote in saying where the lineups list came from. Then, all queries are moot since you've relied on a published source :) --kingboyk 17:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

That line-up should be left in, because Eddie originally joined as a second guitarist. Roda 10:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Erlewine

Will people plllleeeeeeeeeeeease stop quoting bloody Allmusic because they're too idle to look up a reputable critic? No-one cares what Stephen "I hate music" Erlewine thinks.

Popularity

"The band's mainstream success has dwindled since the late 1980s"

I would like to query this line as over the last couple of years in particular in the UK the band have bounced back to a wider audience and the Inferno album is critically acclaimed with the Heavy Metal scene. Their American and European profile is also at something of a peak just now and the band are held in a form of reverence akin to the status of AC/DC, Ozzy, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest etc. There should be a bit of rewrite at the end to acknowledge the fact that the band is on the up again. The term "mainstream" for this type of band is a bit grey as many Heavy Metal bands don't release singles or they are pretty much ignored while still selling millions of albums and having huge sell out tours.

You know, it would be nice if you signed your comments (that is, of course, if you are registered). It's not so hard - just type four tildes. Roda 21:53, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I speak from personal experience, I was with Motorhead right up until 1916 and then didn't buy anything after that until this year when I filled in all the gaps in one go! Mainly because they were becoming too popular! I would say they were perceived to be trying to appeal to the mainstream in the late 80s and early 90s and when that failed, they reverted to form from Bastards onwards. I regret not keeping up with them in the meantime, but am making ammends now. Besides, in England at least, commercial failure just makes a fella into a Cult figure! 193.238.233.2 15:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Lemmy probably doesn't pronounce the name /'məʊtəhɛd/. /ə/ would actually be a completely acceptable and common pronounciation of germanic "ö". Also the transcription is clearly phonematic, so it should be given as ['məʊtəhɛd]. -- bkhl 16:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section

Been thinking about this for some time. I'll add more stuff soon! Roda 15:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

There, I've added some. I'll add more when I have the time. Roda 16:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Motorhead in WWE

Does this really need to be a seperate paragraph, and indeed the second section in the article? It would seem to be more appriopriate either as part of the Trivia section or as a Motorhead in Popular Culture section. S.Skinner 16:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree with this, but mainly because of my aversion to this "sport". I may be biased! 193.238.233.2 14:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Now moved to Supporters section, where the motorheadbangers should now be looking at what is otherwise essential for that para.--Alf ^melmac 13:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Dirty Love album, circa 1988/89

I've got this album, I'm pretty sure it's a Castle cash-in job, but I will dig it out over the weekend. It basically contained about 10 tracks which must have been recorded around 79/80 because it has a demo version of Ace Of Spades and some others off that album under a different name. Really basic production, but pretty good stuff. Where would this fit into the discography and would you mind if I added it, or at least gave you the details to add (I'm very new to wiki!). Wouldn't want to mess this excellent article up! 193.238.233.2 14:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

it would go under 'EPs'

There are many non-sanctioned releases of Motorhead stuff, we have only included the officially released stuff. --Alf ^melmac 13:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

SummerSlam Pay-Per-View

can anyone varifie the track called "Heat of the Day"?

Translations

What do the words in the cd booklet of Kiss Of Death mean? (---Nati vt victi, omnes moritvri nemimi crede, age solvte ambvlare per plvrimarvm anima rvm oceanvm pedes vlx madefacit qvodcvmqve facis, nos primi, et melivs, fecimvs---)Lemmy the lurch 03:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

The best I could come up with on some translation website (after changing some of the Vs to Us) was "Nation when victor omnes morituri nemimi to believe age loosening to walk very plurimarum breath rum oceanum going on foot ulx madefacit whatsoever a bundle , we first , and better fecimus" - hmmm, no wonder wars are started! Bubba hotep 19:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

It's not great latin but is roughly - Born as they conquer, all will die in no belief, through very many spirits scarcely did the ocean make the feet wet. Whatever you do, we did it first and better. --Alf ^melmac 19:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Motorhead disambig vs redirect - the saga conituum...

Please see here for the latest "discussion" Bubba hotep 12:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section

Where did half the trivia section diasappear? Roda 19:30, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Most of it was completely pointless trivia. The notable ones have been left. HK51 20:52, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Not all of it was completely pointless.

*Lemmy's last name is often misspelled as "Kilminster".
*Phil Campbell is a Manchester United fan.  	 
*Neither Lemmy nor Phil can swim.
*Both Mikkey and Phil's first concerts were Deep Purple.
*Campbell used to play drums, backing caberet acts and strippers around South Wales.
*Lemmy and Philthy hosted the very first Headbangers Ball on MTV.
*Würzel started out his musical life as a drummer and did not start learning the guitar until the age of 24.

I mean, isn't this kind of stuff the whole point of a trivia section? Roda 10:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, all of that is just pointless. I mean, Lemmy's name being mispelt? Hardly notable. The fact two of the band members can't swim? I mean, that's just mundane.

The point of a Trivia section is really to show some short bits of interesting information about the subject of the article, not to give out boring, pointless information. HK51 17:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I was actually thinking of moving some of the trivia which is not related to the band as a whole to each person's article, i.e. trivia pertaining to Lemmy be moved to his article, and so forth. It does look better now it has been trimmed down and I think trivia should be limited to subject. In my humble opinion, of course. ;) Bubba hotep 19:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd be happy with it being moved to the member articles. HK51 21:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

All trivia has been removed to more appropriate places or included where it is relevant in the text.--Alf ^melmac

Motörhead's cover of Metallica's Enter Sandman for trivia section?

I had heard some interesting stories about Motörhead's cover of Metallica's Enter Sandman which they produced for ECW as entrance music for long time ECW wrestler Sandman. As is mentioned in the Enter Sandman article, ECW commissioned Motörhead to produce the cover after a royalty dispute of some sort with Metallica. The instrumentation of the two songs is so similar that they are virtually indistinguishable until the vocals start. I had also heard a rumor that there was some friction between the two bands after the cover was produced because Metallica had given permission for the cover version out of respect for Motörhead, but hadn't been told that it was being produced for use with ECW.

Anyway, if someone with access to Motörhead sources is familiar with the backstory of the song, and can provide an appropriate reference, it sounded like an interesting short paragraph to include in this article, either in the Trivia or Wrestling sections. The story ties together two heavy hitters in metal with professional wrestling, making it possibly an interesting aside to fans of any of the three. The cover song itself is still available, although I don't remember on which specific album (music of ECW? I downloaded it from Itunes about six months ago). Dugwiki 23:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, "Metallica" and "royalty dispute" - sounds familiar! That sounds like a very good bit of trivia, if it can be sourced. I have a bit of a problem with Motorhead and sweaty men dressed in lycra being addressed in the same sentence... however thanks for that. I must say, their cover of Whiplash on the new album is both top notch and banging. Besides, what Metallica does every 3 years, Motorhead does every other... and better. opinion getting me into trouble again Bubba hotep 00:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

BOC Support

I have only ever seen Motorhead once but I think it is worth a mention. Sometime in the early-mid-70s we went to Hammersmith Odeon to see Blue Oyster Cult. To our delight the support was Motorhead. They were shambolic but we loved them.

I had seen Larry Wallis in Pink Fairies once (at Northampton, UK, County Cricket Ground) about a year or so before, I recall their shambolic performance after turning up late (can't recall their support)).

I had also seen Motorhead a few times with and without Lemmy - a highlight in HW was him machine-gunning the audience by holding his Rickenbacker on his shoulder. He did this when supporting BOC. It was, I think, when he started using that unique playing style and the angled down microphone.

They played Silver Machine at the HO and their eponymous track (b-side of HW's Kings of Speed single) and another HW fave that HW never played 'Lost Johnny'. Other tracks included at least one Pink Fairies song, Larry Wallis's 'Police Car' (which I remembered from the Stiffs Tour) and the inevitable Louie Louie.

I had always thought that this BOC support was MH's debut....

Does the trivia section mention the Motorhead Tribute Album?

Finally, we enjoyed a Motorhead tribute band last year ' Motorheadache'! Apparently they are liked by members of Motorhead too.

Royzee 18:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

An addition to the trivia section

Motorhead made a guest appearance on an episode of the Drew Carey show. I am too lazy to look anything up right now about it. BrainRotMenacer 08:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Motorhead featured article, coming soon ;)

This is a very good article in en wiki, about music (& rock, metal). I think that article coming soon "arrive" to Featured article candidates. good job Alf ^_^ --Xsamurai 12:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Why thanks, some of it's driving me nuts, but hey, they're worth it. It will need a lot of polish and there's still a decade missing before we even start looking towards a featured article though, one day.... --12:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

This article need pictures. I know photos of the band in action at various dates are going to be a long call, but it should be possible to get hold of a poster or flyer for the first gig, Burridge reproduces one in the Illustrated Guide for example - it looks like a b&w repro of a colour flyer, and I still haven't knackered my Bomber, Ace of Spades and 1916 'picture booklets' but they'll be tricky to fit into the text space without some juggling, and the 1916 album was not 'toured' as such and therefore wouldn't fit naturally in the text - bah! I'm really desirous of the 86 Monsters of Rock poster though, which I never went to :( If there is anyone willing to scan/photo hand flyers/posters/adverts for the original albums they'd at least make it less text dense. Thanks--Alf ^melmac 13:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll try and scan the ones from the Rock 'n' Roll booklet. Btw., nice rewrite mate! Roda 16:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Most excellent, thanks for that and for picking up on Todd Youth, that was me :s - Bubba is the one with the finese, I jump dust the data ;) --Alf ^melmac 17:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

"Heavy rock"

Everytime I come to this page I see "heavy rock" up at the top and "heavy metal" in the first sentence. The difference is grating. Can someone please make them match, especially since "heavy rock" isn't really a genre? Please make them both say "heavy metal." That would be organized. Sorry to be anal but would be appreciated. --Tim010987 Tim010987 4:09 PM, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I find this very annoying to. It should say heavy metal up at the top and heavy metal in the first sentence. Also I think hard rock should be removed from the info box because I don't see anything hard rock about Motorhead, just straight up headbanging heavy metal. 68.102.235.239 (talk) 04:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Punk rock

I wanted to strongly suggest the possibility of incorporating punk into the genres, since Lemmy often identifies with it just as much, if not more so, than metal. Surely this means something? Punk77 has a Motorhead page. The Damned, Ramones, Sex Pistols, Plasmatics etc all included Lemmy and Motorhead in the punk scene. I think they have just as much metal sound as they do punk (punk isn't always Anti-Flag, so I think many people get confused). I hink there might be a POV error with several metal fans not liking punk, so consequently they don't want Motorhead to be classified as such. All my friends and I dig Motorhead and we're into punk, and not a lot of metal (Yes not a source, but I'm just saying). Enough people have mentioned this already, so there has to be some meaning behind it... --Tim010987 ^Tim010987 12:29 AM, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Lemmy does identify with to some extent - he identifies his music (and consequently the band's) as rock and roll though, though they do/did, as stated in the article, attract fans from the punk scene. Similar to the issue with NWOBHM being included, if there is reliable sourced information to support this that can be included to improve the article then I would more inclined to add it in. At this moment in time, neither punk nor NWOBHM are discussed in direct relation to the band's genre.--Alf ^melmac 07:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Lineups

There is now a template for this, using Burridge's numbering. I've added it to the discography article and replaced the raw mark up in this article. It may also serve on other sub pages when they are written.--Alf ^melmac 15:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Motorhead featured article, coming soon ;)

This is a very good article in en wiki, about music (& rock, metal). I think that article coming soon "arrive" to Featured article candidates. good job Alf ^_^ --Xsamurai 12:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Why thanks, some of it's driving me nuts, but hey, they're worth it. It will need a lot of polish and there's still a decade missing before we even start looking towards a featured article though, one day.... --Alf ^melmac 12:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

the works are finished, true? [Xsamurai] 5.54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The history section at least doesn't have any years missing, there might still be some interesting info missing to be found and put in there though. I believe Bubba is looking at sources for at Critical, Influence and Tribute sources now.--Alf ^melmac 09:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

This article need pictures. I know photos of the band in action at various dates are going to be a long call, but it should be possible to get hold of a poster or flyer for the first gig, Burridge reproduces one in the Illustrated Guide for example - it looks like a b&w repro of a colour flyer, and I still haven't knackered my Bomber, Ace of Spades and 1916 'picture booklets' but they'll be tricky to fit into the text space without some juggling, and the 1916 album was not 'toured' as such and therefore wouldn't fit naturally in the text - bah! I'm really desirous of the 86 Monsters of Rock poster though, which I never went to :( If there is anyone willing to scan/photo hand flyers/posters/adverts for the original albums they'd at least make it less text dense. Thanks--Alf ^melmac 13:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)strikeout 18.03.07 - done

I'll try and scan the ones from the Rock 'n' Roll booklet. Btw., nice rewrite mate! Roda 16:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Most excellent, thanks for that and for picking up on Todd Youth, that was me :s - Bubba is the one with the finese, I jump dust the data ;) --Alf ^melmac 17:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

...and for picking up on the other Todd-related error, too! The more people reading through this, the better, I think, because I missed that one as well! Cheers, Roda. :) Bubba hotep 19:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey all, I've had a bunch of pretty decent pictures of Motorhead so I've fixed the need to update the page with some. They are all my own work hence no problems as far as licencing goes :) Hope ya'll likes MarkMarek 02:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

They're bloody marvellous, thanks Mark :) --Alf ^melmac 07:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Glad you like, Alf. I've got plenty more, many bands, I will be contributing bit by bit ;) MarkMarek 19:03, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Just a comment from an innocent bystander who has no previous affiliation with Alf or the Motorhead project :D. I just wanted to say A) the images are an nice addition.. thank you... and B) If Brooke, Margaret, Ivana or Wanda suddenly join the band as second guitarists... feel free to add their images as well :D . 142.167.75.132 19:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

*the picture at the very begining of the page should be changed you can not realy see the band members to well 

Grandoldman (talk) 15:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)*

Things to do on a rainy day

I noticed Bubba adding some information about Petagno's cover art from the Inferno 30th Anniv. DVD interview into Rock 'n' Roll. It would be nice to do this for all those covers he gives an insight into. A summary of it could be then done for the cover art section of this article. I took the liberty, as I used on Orgasmatron to change the reference to: <ref>''About Joe Petagno'' - interview section with [[Joe Petagno]], bonus DVD with ''[[Inferno (album)#30th Anniversary DVD content|Inferno 30th Anniversary edition]]'' SPV69748.</ref> I'm pasting that here so it can be changed if needs be and easily found when needed.--Alf ^melmac 00:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to Bubba who has been working on this today.--Alf ^melmac 20:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

It is both a joy and a penance – not going to be around much during daylight hours for the next few days! Plus, it has been a day of many weathers; rain, sleet, hail. You name it! Bubba hotep 21:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

All those book sources cited need to be split up into individual cites which cite individual book pages. LuciferMorgan 09:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree on that one, the compacted references are fine, relevant page numbers are easy enough to find. I'd rather see the labour go elsewhere at the moment.--Alf ^melmac 23:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, though if you want to get this article featured that's what'll have to happen. LuciferMorgan 10:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Is the process is being even more obnoxious than normal? It wasn't a problem for another article I helped through FA shrugs --Alf ^melmac 11:05, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately that's the case - if you need help doing the work give me a bell since I own "White Line Fever" and could help. LuciferMorgan 20:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Well if you're ever at a loose end and you're sure it would be time well spent, be my guest! As a by product it would be good to make sure I didn't duff any up, I have been known to make the odd slip :s --Alf ^melmac 12:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be time well spent. I'll see if I can find time, but the book's always worth going over again after the first read. LuciferMorgan 15:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Peer review and later featured article?

Hi guys, when a very good "peer review" of this nice article?? When?? --[X-S] 19:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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Lemmy's dislike of heavy metal genre label

The articles does make mention of this, but then for the rest of the article totally ignores what Lemmy has stated and just calls them metal over and over. I think we should give his stance a shot and review this...

From an interview[1]:

Jeb: Do you have a problem with Motorhead being called a Metal band?

Lemmy: I do because I come from way before Metal. I’m playing Rock n’ Roll and I think Rock n’ Roll should be sacred – it is to me. I don’t see why it should not be for everybody else.

Jeb: Motorhead was the first hard rock band that the punks could like.

Lemmy: We kind of bridged the gap. Let’s face it, the only reason we were called Heavy Metal is because we had long hair. If it wasn’t for the long hair, we would be in the punk rack. I always thought we had more in common with The Damned than we did with Judas Priest.

He has a good point with the last comment, for example, if you compare Ace of Spades to the Damned's Love Song they are not a million miles apart. Far more closely related than something such as Priest. There are also some sites on the original punk movement[2] which count Motorhead amonst those bands.[3] - Deathrocker 09:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Public perception see them as heavy metal, they are mentioned twice in our article on heavy metal and not once in hard rock. Though I understand Lemmy's point, people will want to put them 'into a bag' - the bags that have repeatedly been stated as having them are heavy rock, heavy metal (with a bit of boogie and/or punk) and NWOBHM. We have stated that Lemmy doesn't like it, what more could we do when the cites refer to them as "the foremost heavy metal band" and such?--Alf ^melmac 10:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that "hard rock" label isn't quite suitable. Most heavy metal bands have hard rock songs as well, but it doesn't make them hard rock bands. In other words, heavy metal band is automatically a hard rock band as well, and there's no need to mention this yet another time. Or give me any reason why Motorhead is constantly being labelled "hard rock".—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.234.180 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 24 April 2007

well, not all of their songs are heavy metal. And not all metal artists play hard rock too. Slayer, for instance, playes only metal and not hard rock. Or jimmy hindrix, who played hard rock but not metal. Some of motorhead's songs, like overkill, iron fist, we are the road crew, ect, are clearly heavy metal. However, some of there songs, such as born to raise hell and the chase is better than the catch, clearly fit more in to the hard rock genre than heavy metal.

Captanpluto123 22:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

SOME is the key word here. Actually, labelling a band as both heavy metal and hard rock is suitable only when they are balancing on the border of both genres, like e.g. Guns N'Roses or Scorpions, Krokus or Deep Purple do. Also, there is some reason in following the same criteria that were used for other bands. Why isn't Manowar labelled hard rock despite the fact that they've produced alot (and far, far more than Motorhead did) of rather "soft", ballad-esque, non-metal songs? Same for lots of other bands, like e.g. Iron Maiden. (Okay, this all up to this very moment is IMHO, but nevertheless.)

Finally, a verifiable and competent source, metal-archives.com, doesn't say anything about Motorhead being hard rock, and there are no actual causes to doubt the competence of ole' experienced metalheads :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.76.91.194 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 9 July 2007

Query

Re the comment of having 'sold 16 million albums in the US alone': have we proof? They have no albums certified Gold by the RIAA, let alone Platinum.

I think the paragraph on Motorheadache should be moved to its own page, myself, with just a mention in passing on this main page.

Cheers, Al—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.218.29 (talk • contribs) 3 June 2007

Indeed as is highlited in the "Bronze and silver" section (what a clever title, genius who thought of that :p) they have as yet to break past silver. The sales figures have been in and out fair frequently and has consistently been removed as no-one has been able to be cite it, at present it is not in the article. The paragraph on Motorheadache was overlong but was trimmed some time back. I'm not sure there's enough about for a fair page (in respect of giving equal treatment to) of Motorhead tribute bands, but I won't stop anyone who wants to give it a go.--Alf ^melmac 06:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Al again. I think we may conclude, by searching on the RIAA official site, that the band has no Gold or Platinum albums in the US. Furthermore, the 'Top Selling Artists' list starts at 10.25m and doesn't feature the band.

Re Motorheadache, it wasn't that I was championing giving them their own page, more that I thought it was unneccessary to devote so much space to them on Motörhead's page...

Cheerio.

04-08

The Motorhead articles are featured articles in it.wiki and sq.wiki. And when this article in en wiki in FA? Can I trust this thing in a next future? X-S—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 79.9.7.88 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 4 August 2007.

The FA process on en-wiki is not something I'm enamoured by at this moment but now there is a Motörhead project, that is more likely now. At the moment we are discussing whether the page has too much minor info in respect of tracking which tours etc. I think there's still some way to go on the 'how they've impacted culture' areas too, but that's a fairly easy matter of choosing and balancing up the cites on that. Also, check out the new Motörhead Portal.--Alf ^melmac 06:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

World volume record

Officially, if memory serves, this stands at 130.1 decibels and is held by ManOWar. However, I was told by a sound engineer who worked at the Cornwall Coliseum (near St. Austell) that Motorhead once made an attempt at the world record when playing there, sometime in the early 80's, and peaked at 134 decibels.

Apparently Lemmy was appalled by the physical consequences of this (some people's ears were bleeding apparently) and refused to play as loud again.

Can anyone confirm this?

- Meltingpot

Meltingpot 12:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

This is not an encyclopedia article...

...but it is fucking brilliant. Don't change it - FA means fuck all! LessHeard vanU 22:02, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I lost any/all respect for the FA process when Paul McCartney lost out because it had too many references???(one of the absolute LOW' points in Wiki's entire history) The upper echelon of anal Wikidom would never allow Motorhead to get FA status because if it moved in next door to all the other Featured Articles... all of their lawns would die. 142.167.75.132 22:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

On Parole album => snaggletooth

According to the article 4 albums don't feature a variation of Snaggletooth on the cover, 1 of them being On Parole. However I own this album with the cover looking like this: http://www.muzika.hr/images/Rubrika_11/20060601_motorhead234.jpg, wich is the latest edition of the album as far as I'm aware of. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fod (talk • contribs) 18:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Originally it didn't have Snaggletooth. Roda 18:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Punk metal

Why has punk metal been removed. They are clearly punk metal as the are the ones that helped to expand the genre, therefore I will re-add the genre. Thundermaster367 10:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I cannot find a reliable source to verify that they are classified as punk metal, if you are able to supply such, I'd be happy to leave it standing.--Alf ^melmac 11:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I've looked through my resources and can't find any mention of Motorhead being a punk metal band (let alone find any mention of punk metal period) It may be listed on some online amateur webzine or fansite... but since they don't pass WP:RS I haven't browsed any of them to see if it originates from any of them. The Wikipedia Punk metal article itself is one of those "fairy-tale" genre articles that is abound with pov and original research. If punk metal were to be removed from this article I wouldn't protest and I doubt too many other editors would either 156.34.223.225 11:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Lol! Punk metal? What a douche... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.143.101 (talk) 13:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Punk Metal? I don't see how that fits...--Greenday21 (talk) 20:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

Punk Metal kind of fits but a better description is Speed metal. It has a true definition and Motorhead fits in it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk • contribs) 14:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Featured Article

Great job everyone. Thanks to each and every one of you for such a fantastic work on this article. MarkMarek 19:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the excellent wiki-safe pictures! – B.hotep ^u/_t• 19:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Heartily seconded :) Bubba ad astra.--Alf ^melmac 19:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

very very compliments, and now they are three ;) X-SAMURAI

NWOBHM has been removed

I'm adding back NWOBHM as it clearly a good term for MH. Does anyone object? Thundermaster^TRUC 15:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC) 10:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is not supported anywhere in the text and so isn't cited, you have a cite to use for it? See also my comment on Template talk:Infobox Musical artist.--Alf ^melmac 10:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe it might be a good "term" for Motorhead. But the field is a genre field and NWOBHM isn't a genre. It's a description of an "era of emergence" for heavy metal bands of British origin. The genre is heavy metal. (actually the Rock 'genre' done in a heavy metal 'style'... but I won't get picky :D ) 156.34.208.51 (talk) 11:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Isn't the NWOBHM a genre with elements of classic metal and punk rock? Thanks for reading, Thundermaster^TRUC 15:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

NWOBHM isn't a genre at all. There is as yet, no information at all about NWOBHM in the article because in all the research I and Bubba did to get this article to FA, did we find any reliable sources to say anything about Motorhead being part of the NWOBHM. It's a common label used by various commentators, and only as a label - none of which have said anything useful about their part in it.--Alf ^melmac 07:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Wiki's own NWoBHM page lists Motörhead as a NWoBHM band. AllMusicGuide (a reliable source by all wiki standards, whether you agree or not) lists them as NWoBHM both in Motörheads section and the article on NWoBHM, so there is plenty of evidence to include the tag here. It is a genre - one that merged the heaviness of British blues rock (minus the blues party) with the DIY aesthetic of punk thus creating a new style. The idea that it's "just" heavy metal is belied by the fact that it has a name at all - the New Wave of British Heavy Metal. This means that heavy metal already existed and this new sound was a different form of HM than was already there. DragonsDream (talk) 11:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

"The New Wave of British Heavy Metal (frequently abbreviated as NWOBHM or N.W.o.B.H.M.) is a heavy metal music movement that started in the late 1970s" so starts the wiki page on NWOBHM. The question may be moot as the current discussion on the genre field of the infobox is heading towards removing the field.--Alf ^melmac 11:51, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Rock vs. heavy metal vs. hard rock

Which should it say in the lead-in? "Rock" keeps it general, though they are more often associated with heavy metal and their style has remained consistent throughout their career. So shouldn't it say 'heavy metal' or 'rock' in the lead-in, instead of 'hard rock'? Also, the first genre in the infobox should be heavy metal, not hard rock. --Tim010987 (talk) 09:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

• I agree, a lot of sources I've seen have regarded them as a metal band. Like, the first website (after their offical site, wikipedia page and myspace) seen on goggle describes them as a heavy metal band. I say they're metal first, hard rock second. 173.33.7.60 (talk) 02:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Take time to read throught the first two paragraphs, I really do think that we have the right balance and order in this. Not all their songs are heavy metal, speed metal or thrash metal (in fact imh[but personal]o I would label any of their songs as thrash metal but hey ho- the cites say so) but all their songs are hard rock (those that are heavy metal, speed metal and thrash metal are hard rock by default as they are sub-categories of hard rock. So the article says - loosely put - this is a hard rock band typically classfied as heavy metal, speed metal or thrash metal, with Lemmy disagreeing with such labelling, prefering "rock 'n roll". Am I missing something in the balance of the article, as I think it not only sums up parts of rest of the article, but puts it into rational classification order.--Alf ^melmac 13:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Speed metal

Also, Allmusic cites them as a speed metal band. It should be added to the genre box. --Tim010987 (talk) 09:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I personally think that line in the box should be removed and people can bother to read the introduction to be more informed about that but I know if I do, the drive-by editors will get withdrawal symptoms and kick-up shit.--Alf ^melmac 13:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Punk Rock + Heavy Metal = Metal without the heavy aka Speed Metal—Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.105.82 (talk • contribs)

Speed metal is a sub-genre of heavy metal music originating in the early 1980s, rooted in the NWOBHM and hardcore punk. Have you got a reliable source that backs up your opinion?--Alf ^melmac 14:27, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

PRIORITY BIAS

why are so many things that seem/are important ARENT ON HIGHER priority?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.28.14 (talk) 22:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Copyediting issue

The Los Angeles Philharmonic (is) or (are)....I would say "is," am I wrong? The Beatles are (definitely) The Rolling Stones are (definitely)

The Grateful Dead is a band. (Because it's singular, I use the is). Since dead is ambiguous as to number, it could go either way.

Blondie is a punk rock band, etc., not Blondie are a punk rock band... King Crimson is a band headed up by Robert Fripp...not King Crimson are a band headed....

Anyone else have a thought on this? Is this a more British usage, because I would have said "Motorhead is..."

Just curious. Not that practiced on musical topics, would like to learn.--Levalley (talk) 21:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

See WP:ENGVAR - articles about British articles use British English, American and British English differences#Formal and notional agreement explains further.--Alf ^melmac 22:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I thought that was what was going on, just trying to make sure.Levalley (talk) 23:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

OR in a FA?

The history section is well referenced, but I miss citations (thus also sources) in the statement about Motörhead's lyrics (style section), but foremost whole paragraphs in the supporters and cover art sections. I will not add this or this to the article, but I just recommend to add citations as soon as possible, because this does not really fit WP:FACR style. Cheers :) --  LYKANTROP  ✉ 11:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The whole paragraphs were added after the article passed the F.A. assessment - I have note, way back in the edit summary a foreign site which linked to a site in English with the quote, but last I checked that relevant page on the English site wasn't there as the site was being revamped. If it doesn't re-appear and the foreign version doesn't pass muster, which I'm not sure it does, then they may have to be removed.--Alf ^melmac 23:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Burridge's blog provides Lemmy's reply, we just need a decent source for Joe's statement now, I couldn't find it on the blog.--Alf ^melmac 23:18, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Joe's words can be found on this forum and this foreign rock site, I'm not sure they'd be considered as reliable sources though.--Alf ^melmac 23:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The foreign site is a Polish fan site about Motöthead, so it is unfortunately not reliable. The other one is a forum, so it is also not considered reliable. And blogs are in most cases also not reliable. I think that all unsourced stuff that comes to the article should be immediately removed because otherwise the article looses its quality.--  LYKANTROP  ✉ 11:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Blogs per se are not encouraged for sure, the blog providing the Lemmy quote is that of Alan Burridge (writer). The link in that polish fan is still dead I note also it is addressed blastwaves.com/motorforum... I note that Joe's original statement seems to have been made on his website, but is no longer there. Makes the two halves a bit problematic at this moment in time.--Alf ^melmac 21:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Umlauts

I bloody well give up on this now that everyone and his dog has been pissing on them, they were 95% accurate against song, book, article and tribute bands and now they're decidely not, and I am giving up chasing them down. Thanks.--Alf ^melmac 09:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Icon

It seems there's a bit of disagreement over what to call the icon. It may be worth noting that the artist Joe Petgno refers to it as Snaggletooth. Here's what he said in the wake of the acrimonous parting of company with Motörhead and their managent on Feb. 24,2008: "As I have been asked by so many of you worldwide, a small army in fact to Resurrect Snaggletooth I’m going to do just that - with or without them. I believe (thanks to all of you) that the Snag is strong enough to stand it’s own ground in this profit oriented world as the symbol it has always stood for - the little guy against the many / money, and to quote one of you; Why the hell should Snaggletooth die because of greedy power hungry bastards? This year the Snag and I will going solo if need be - a first in Heavy / Rock History" [4]. See also his home page www.petagno.dk for Snaggletooth merchandise. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 12:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad that someone brought this up. I never new the icon had a "name" until I started reading Wikipedia and Snaggletooth is the first name I learned. It looks like there is a nice reference for Snaggletooth. I'm sure someone will provide one for War-pig, we'll see which is more credible. J04n(talk page) 13:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Alf, in this edit summary explains it here. I'm sure he has a ref for it. I can't remember what I recall about the matter to be totally honest, but it will come down to what is reliably referenced, I'm sure, and if it comes down to it: both? I don't know. – B.hotep •talk• 14:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm - I didn't see a reason not to take Alan Burridge's word for it see here. We should however use cited info, and I'm not keen to do a War-Pig vs. Snaggletooth contest as that would invlove a lot of checking that we're talking about the image and not the song - the 'googlefight' without checks results in "2,030 for motorhead snaggletooth image" "27,400 for motorhead war-pig image". I'll go hunting in a bit though, have other things I need to do.--Alf ^melmac 10:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

The above link to Alan Burridge is to the cricket player, I assumed it should have been to Alan Burridge (writer) but now I think it was meant to be User:Alan Burridge, but they seem to be the same person, do we know that they are? J04n(talk page) 10:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Alan Burridge (Motorhead biographer and writer) and User:Alan Burridge are indeed the same person. A very reliable source if ever there was one. – B.hotep •talk• 11:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Ooops yes I keep forgetting about that cricketer, sorry. Sheesh, we're going to end with one of the 'called A by B, C by D' constructions I can see. We can see easily that Petagno is now relating to it as Snaggletooth ('Snag' to his friends...) - I don't remember seeing him do so before he stopped creating artwork for the band, Bubba, do you remember if he ever used the words in those interviews on the CDs you listening to? Alan mentions the logo as War-Pig in his blog on Sunday, July 27, 2008 when talking about the Hamsters' logo, Ted Carroll, when speaking about the special limited edition 30th anniversary version of Motorhead’s 1977 debut album calls the logo War-Pig. Merchandisers appear to use both - rockabilia, tourdates (which purports to have "100% Official Band Merchandise" - [ahem]) for example are in the War-Pig camp, ny-123 and grindtone are in the Snaggletooth camp.--Alf ^melmac 11:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Can we save everyone alot of time and effort by changing the third sentence in the "cover art" section to read "War-Pig^{place ref here} (AKA Snaggletooth^{place ref here}) is the fanged face that serves as the symbol of Motörhead" with one reference for each? J04n(talk page) 11:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd prefer to switch the name to last position, reading: "The fanged face that serves as the symbol of Motörhead has been referred to variously as "War-Pig"^{place ref here} and "Snaggletooth".^{place ref here}" This avoids the brackets and the "AKA" (and sort of highlights that two camps exist). Not sure about limiting the refs, I think Petagno's, Carroll's and Burridge's views all relevant due to their equal closeness to the band, though C's and B's view could be written into one cite to keep one ref number for each. Getting a permalink to something on Petagno's site might be somewhat tricky, he is in the habit of not archiving anything for access and moving things about at a fair pace. The letter published in the forum pages and repeated in a blog here for example, is now (afaics) only on forums and blogs.--Alf ^melmac 12:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

From the 30th Anniversary issue of Inferno (2005)

From the bonus DVD, title 7 ("Joe Petagno"), chapter 1, at 01'39", Petagno says,

“ They call it the "Iron Boar", "Snaggletooth". I don't know who that was. I don't have a name for it. It's just a little bastard for me. ”

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bubba hotep (talk • contribs) 14:02, 6 June 2009

"I used to be schizophrenic, but we're fine now."?--Alf ^melmac 14:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

In fact, for the rest of the 20 minute piece, he doesn't even call it a name. "It" or "the head" are the only nomenclatures – so I suppose in that respect, he doesn't have a name for it, as he said. In 2005, anyway. Mind you, in the same interview Phil Campbell said he [Petagno] was "part of the band, the heart, the engine...". How things change, eh? – B.hotep •talk• 14:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

If we try and add in the change of view, we can easy cite the DVD for his earlier useage, but the forum would likely not be seen as a reliable source for his current useage, so we would be in the same position as we are with his response to his stopping doing artwork for the band - we still don't have a cite for the quote of him about that in the article, as he removed the comment from his website without providing an archive link or anything equally helpful and we're left with, as we appear to have again, his letters reproduced only in forums.--Alf ^melmac 14:41, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Further to that- I just noticed on this "snaggletooth collection" page of prints that there is a very visible copyright mark following the word "SNAGGLETOOTH", maybe his apparently recent adoption of the name is a recent development in the split, time will likely tell, particularly as he appears to have decided to copyright the name that Lemmy et al (according to Burridge), Burridge and Carroll don't use.--Alf ^melmac 14:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

You can register a word/phrase as a trademark, which I don't think is called a "copyright", although it may involve the copyright office. I believe Billy Joel did this - if you find those Columbia House offers from the 80s (with all the little stamps), it always said Billy Joel(TM). Luminifer (talk) 15:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Punk rock

I saw that the punk rock genre was added then removed. I don't really care, but a lot of their early stuff is pretty punk rock (the demo version of Vibrator, for instance, couldn't be anything else really). There are also citations on the page that say Lemmy sympathizes more with punk than metal. So, if anyone adds it, this is probably why.. but, I don't care and am not going to change anything. Luminifer (talk) 04:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I changed it and as I said in the edit summary, I don't get involved in genres as a rule, but punk does not have a place there for sure. Yes, they had punk fans because of the similar speed and "attitude" of some of the early songs, but they didn't fit the punk mould in any other way (looks, fashion, influences) – punk was about more than the music. – B.hotep •talk• 12:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, that's a larger debate though... (what if a band looks like a punk band but plays heavy metal? where would you put them?)... and actually, they don't fit the 'heavy metal' image either. Luminifer (talk) 14:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

And further... I personally think they should be listed as 'hard rock' -- in fact, if you go look at the wiki article for heavy metal, it's not very good, but it also really doesn't described Motorhead very well.... but, what can I do, eh? Luminifer (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

And this is why I don't get involved normally... :) – B.hotep •talk• 16:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Rock band

Why don't we change that text from "a rock band" to "a band"? :) Luminifer (talk) 21:38, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Filmography

Looking at the entries in the Filmography, many of them seem to just be instances where one of the band's songs was used in the soundtrack, not a film in which the band actually appears (ie. Grosse Point Blank). Shouldn't the list be reduced to films in which the band members actually appear, rather than just being a list of soundtrack contributions? --IllaZilla (talk) 01:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a good point, might be worth splitting it into two sections. And possibly expanded to include TV appearances such as when they appeared on The Young Ones playing Ace of Spades.Andrewself (talk) 15:45, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, soundtrack appearances belong in a discography. "Filmography" implies that the band are in the films, not just that their music is used. I say move all the soundtrack appearances to the discography article, leave the films they actually appear in, and do a subsection for television appearances/performances. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I suspect the filmography will at some point in the future be bombed as it is trivia, and quite rightly so in my opinion. I'd only regard this list to be of any importance if it listed only those films in which Motorhead appear or where their songs had been commisioned for the soundtrack, rather than listing films that simply use their music. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 12:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

It's been a couple of weeks and no objections have been raised, so I've removed the list of films from which they have contributed to the soundtrack. If there's any here that should be re-added (i.e. because the band actually do appear in the film), then please re-add them—Drwhawkfan (talk) 09:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

• 1982: UndeRage: soundtrack includes "Ace of Spades" – Contemporary Films Ltd
• 1985: Phenomena also known as Creepers: soundtrack includes "Locomotive" – Genesis Home Video
• 1986: Zombie Nightmare: soundtrack includes "Ace of Spades" – New World Pictures.
• 1988: The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years: soundtrack includes "Cradle to the Grave" – RCA / Columbia Pictures Home Video
• 1990: Hardware: In his role, Lemmy plays "Ace of Spades" on the riverboat taxi's hi-fi – HBO Home Video
• 1992: Hellraiser III: Hell on Earth: soundtrack includes "Hellraiser" and "Hell on Earth". "Born to Raise Hell" was recorded in the same session, to play over the end credits, although it did not appear on the film's original soundtrack album – Directed by Anthony Hickox
• 1994: Airheads: soundtrack includes "Born to Raise Hell" – 20th Century Fox Distribution
• 1996: Tromeo and Juliet: soundtrack includes "Sacrifice" – Troma Team
• 1996: The Boy's Club: A-pix Entertainment
• 1997: Grosse Pointe Blank: soundtrack includes "Ace of Spades" – Hollywood Pictures Home Video
• 1997: Wishmaster: also known as Wes Craven's Wishmaster: soundtrack includes "Listen to the Heart" – directed by Robert Kurtzman
• 1998: Whatever: soundtrack includes "The Chase Is Better Than The Catch" – Sony Pictures Classics/Columbia TriStar Home Video
• 1998: Bride of Chucky : soundtrack includes Love For Sale – Universal Pictures
• 1998: Urban Legend : soundtrack includes Deaf Forever – Sony Pictures
• 1999: Mrs. Death: soundtrack includes "Born to Raise Hell" – directed by Jack Williams
• 2002: Ash Wednesday: soundtrack includes "Shoot 'em Down" – directed by Edward Burns
• 2004: The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie: soundtrack includes "You Better Swim" – United International Pictures based on their previously released song "You Better Run". The words were changed to being about fishes avoiding hooks, sharks, and killer whales.
• 2005: Metal: A Headbanger's Journey: soundtrack includes "Ace of Spades" and "Killed by Death" – Seville Pictures/Warner Home Video
• 2006: Free Jimmy: soundtrack includes "Ace of Spades" – directed by Christopher Nielsen
• 2006: Starter For 10: soundtrack includes "Ace of Spades" – Picturehouse
• 2007: Smokin' Aces: soundtrack includes "Ace of Spades" – Universal Pictures Distribution
• 2007: Life on the Road With Mr. and Mrs. Brown: – La Vie En Rose (post-production)
• 2007: Shoot 'Em Up: soundtrack includes "Ace of Spades" – New Line Cinema

I believe the only one that should be considered for return is Hardware b/c Lemmy is in it. I suppose a decision should be made as to whether Lemmy constitutes the band or should the info only be on his page. J04n(talk page) 09:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Not even that one belongs in the Motörhead article, because it was only Lemmy in it. If anything it belongs in the Lemmy article sure it is anyway :) – B.hotep •talk• 11:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Album details

There seems to be a lot of detail about individual albums that might be better situated on the individual pages for the respective albums, as it is it seems like a bit of overkill (excuse pun). Gwladys24 (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

My friend, what I have to say????? It's from NWOBHM.....--Erlandinho (talk) 21:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

NWOBHM was a movement, not a genre. If you look back through the archives of this talk page, you will find similar "discussions" to this... well, no they actually had people putting more of a case back and forth than "what I have to say". – B.hotep •talk• 21:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Ramones

I have put in associated acts Ramones because they played in a gig with them i hope thats ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.254.143 (talk) 00:07, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually playing a gig together wouldn't meet the criteria. The criteria which can be found at Template:Infobox musical artist are:

• For individuals: groups of which he or she has been a member
• Other acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together
• Groups which have spun off from this group
• A group from which this group has spun off

-J04n(talk page) 00:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Rock and roll

I don't see why we can't just put rock and roll in the info box. A quote from a Rock the Rough Guide pg. 587., "represented muscular, deadly rock and roll," and then on pg. 588 they refer to Ace of Shades(the album that is) as "No holds barred, no-frills, rock 'n' roll".Rockgenre (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Motorhead Tours

Look that: Bombers and Eagles in '92 & Inferno Tour. i'd like to make other mh tours, so I HELP YOU, AND YOU HELP ME. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.65.148.76 (talk) 22:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Before you start see Wikipedia:MUSIC#Concert tours, there is criteria as to what constitutes a notable tour. If they qualify then fantastic. J04n(talk page) 23:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Genre

We really should put a do not modify clause next to genre, no? I would put it but when I do someone often yells at me that it's not necessarily. Often right before someone adds a new genre. Almost makes me think that people want others to change it, just so they can revert it and get more "edit points" :) Luminifer (talk) 04:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Damn, you've spotted my cunning plan to take over the world and kill all humans up the edit count! :p I have no problem with putting a <!--achieve consensus for any changes on the talk page--> I've done similar on one of the few album articles that have sources stating genre that others repeatedly feel need removing and replacing with a single genre.--Alf ^melmac 05:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Done, let's see. It hasn't helped at Black Sabbath but has worked wonderfuly for the "voice type" field for singers. J04n(talk page) 08:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Alf - actually, I have a feeling I got the idea from one of your edits. Unless it was you who yelled at me somewhere a few months ago ;) (I don't think it was) Luminifer (talk) 05:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I see that 2 sources are given that Motorhead play "rock and roll", but none for "heavy metal" or "speed metal". Lemmy has always maintained that Motorhead is not a metal band. In most record stores, Motorhead music can be found under pop/rock-not heavy metal. Motorhead is certainly not "speed metal".Mk5384 (talk) 20:46, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

If nothing else, I think that "rock and roll" should be listed first. Any objections?Mk5384 (talk) 20:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

You Tube

this edit removed a source for info - our link WP:YOUTUBE gives the following advice:

There is no blanket ban on linking to YouTube or other user-submitted video sites, as long as the links abide by the guidelines on this page (see Restrictions on linking and Links normally to be avoided). Many videos hosted on YouTube or similar sites do not meet the standards for inclusion in External links sections, and copyright is of particular concern. Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations. Links should be evaluated for inclusion with due care on a case-by-case basis.

Please evaluate this link.--163.1.147.64 (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Bomber Album

The Bomber album title was not named after any book - it played on the "Motorhead" name - which is a term meaning a speed freak (ie an amphetamine user), a 'Bomber' being a "Black Bomber" or Amphetamine pill - previously prescribed to promote weight loss - but heavily abused by Mods, Punks, & Soul Boys.

The album cover showed members of the band in the plexiglass gun turrets of a black "Bomber" - the gun turrets being shaped suspiciously similar to a 'Bomber'amphetamine capsule

In Northern Soul speak (which Lemmy would certainly have been aware of) a user of Black Bombers was known as a "Riker Liker" - after the manufacturers name Riker which appeared on all genuine Bombers - A "Riker Liker" being clearly more or less exactly the same thing as a "Motorhead" (although perhaps listening to different music) 23:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.193.115 (talk)

See Bomber (song) - The track was inspired after Lemmy had read Len Deighton's novel Bomber. It became the inspiration for a forty foot aluminium tube lighting rig used for their shows, a replica of a Heinkel He 111 bomber that could fly backwards and forwards, and side to side - the first to be able to do so.

again, I can check the page number when I get home...163.1.147.64 (talk) 08:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

"right down to Bomber, written after the lyrical master read the book of the same name by Len Deighton" from the official motorhead discography page for the album Bomber.

page 133 of White Line Fever - "Plus, we had a new toy on stage:our infamous 'Bomber' lighting rig.

The rig was a replica of a German WWII bomber, made out of heavy aluminium tubing, forty foot by forty foot. It flew four ways, backwards and forwards, and side to side - the first lighting rig that ever did that, by the way. It was heavey as hell, and if it had ever fallen it would have smashed us flat."

The two cites together should prove adequate.--163.1.147.64 (talk) 10:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Early days edit

From Talk:Motorhead (disambiguation): "The belief in England that Motorhead is slang for someone who uses amphetamines comes from the misinterpretation of the expression "speed freak". Speed in this insatnce refers to speed as in cars rather than speed as in drugs. Lemmy has clarified this: "The name comes from an old American slang for speedfreak, or lover of speed as in cars, etc. Vroom vroom."" – Drwhawkfan (talk) 17:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Lemmy uses the term "motorhead" in reference to the drug "speed": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh-pAykfQ-8&feature=related 91.7.106.15 (talk) 02:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I thought the early years was in need of a little bit editing. These are the changes I've made, any positive or negative feedback is welcome:

• Lemmy's sacking from HW after being arrested in Canada -> I've added the context that they were on tour at the time and his imprisonment caused the cancellation of some tour dates. He was really sacked for his continued unreliable behaviour (which may or may not have been due to his consumption of speed).
• Wallis and Fox recruitment -> added that its was on the advice of Mick Farren.
• originally to be called "Bastard" -> I've left this in for now, but it is an apocrocryphal story as Lemmy has admitted (all bands consider different names, and this was one suggestion very quickly dismissed).
• The meaning of Motorhead -> it has never been US slang for an amphetamine sulphate user.
• Mission quote -> I've expanded it to the full quote as I think this gives a fuller picture of the intentions Lemmy had for the band. By the way, with "if we move in next door to you, your lawn will die" Lemmy is a quoting Dr Hook.
• Debut gig -> Added that they supported Greenslade.
• Removed this sentence: "The Roundhouse was to feature Motörhead again on 7 November 1976 with Pink Fairies and on 24 April 1977 with The Damned and The Adverts." -> I can see why it was there, but as it is, it's unfocussed chronologically. It is close to trivia (times they played the RH), but it also gives a good context to their type of audience (bands they shared the bill with). It may need reworking back into the text.
• Signing to UA -> added it was done by Andrew Lauder.
• Wallis leaving -> added a reason and context - he was also concurrently touring with the, at the time, more succesful reformed PF. Also, he quit after the audition (simply never turned up again), rather than during (which implies some sort of falling out).
• Added the recording of Leaving Here single for Stiff in Dec 1976, and the reason why it wasn't released.
• Removed the NWOBHM para -> if anywhere, this should be in the music style section, but it restates a lot of what is already said there.
• Recording debut album -> added additional sessions were at Olympic studios. Added producer Speedy Keen.
• Release of debut album -> Bumped this line up to the Early Days section.
• Added a paragraph on the late 1977/early 1978 instability to conclude the Early Days section: being managed by Tony Secunda, Clarke & Taylor forming the Muggers
• Signing to Bronze -> Added return to Douglas Smith's managementship, who then got an initial deal for a single, which did well enough to secure an extended album contract.
• Overkill album -> Added producer Jimmy Miller.
• an unheard track, "Like A Nightmare", for the B-side -> rewritten, it seemed to imply the song was silent
• The Bomber album was inspired by the Len Deighton novel -> it isn't a concept album, only the song was inspired by the book. This info may be better placed on the album or song page, rather than here.
• The Golden Years (EP) reaching #8 in the UK charts -> reaching #8 on the UK singles chart. I thought this needed stating as the US seem to treat EPs as (mini) albums.
• added Rockstage TV 1980 filming/1981 broadcast -> You can watch this on youtube - I don't know why they don't give it an official DVD release.
• Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers -> moved into Ace of Spades section as it was released to take advantage of the AOS publicity.
• 'apprentices' Girlschool -> this sounds derogatory, I've removed the word apprentices.
• During April and July, the band were guests of Blizzard of Ozz -> April through to July, it was also their first North America tour.
• Added "supported by Tank, followed by Clarke producing Tank's debut album Filth Hounds of Hade." -> Not sure if it really belongs here, but other support bands have been noted.
• General: Where I've seen dates as (Month) (Date), I've tried to standardise them as (Date) (Month). Also, (XXX) peaked at #(No) on the UK (Albums|Singles) Chart. Chart positions and dates, by the way, can be found at www.chartstats.com

I think that's me done - I lost MH during the Iron Fist tour, it was apparent Clarke was unhappy with things, and easy to see why. "Clarke left as a consequence of the band recording Stand By Your Man" - isn't entirely true, it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. — Drwhawkfan (talk) 12:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Lot of decent sources there that we (bubba and I) didn't manage to dig up. Maybe the wording on 'orginally to be called' could be sharpened up, whether apocryphal or not, it's what's said in his biog., are there other sources that state this as such? - Yes the last straw for Clarke was Stand By Your Man, so it was as a consequence, I couldn't get the his build up of frustration properly sourced to anywhere reliable, maybe that's possible now? I go 'Hmm' at the cocaine on the border stuff - he was carrying speed wasn't he? - this makes it look like he likely was carrying coke as it follows on from his comments about him doing the "wrong drugs" (by which I've always thought he meant "I did speed and alcohol - different drugs than the other guys - so they're hypocritical b*st*rds"). I'm not sure there is going to be a perfect way of putting across his leaving/sacking from HW - open to suggestions though.--163.1.147.64 (talk) 09:09, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Lemmy uses the term "motorhead" in reference to the drug "speed": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh-pAykfQ-8&feature=related 91.7.106.15 (talk) 02:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

"Is" or "are"

In the beginning (the sentence "Motörhead are a British rock band")—shouldn't the word "are" be replaced with "is". The name "Motörhead" is singular, "are" is only used for bands with plurals such as the Ramones—among others. I understand that this article is written in British English and not American English, but I do not know British English as I am an American citizen. And I know this article is a featured article, all I am doing is trying to improve it. So anyways, correct me if I am wrong, but it should be "is" rather than "are". If I am wrong, please tell me. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 06:44, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

You are wrong, for the reason you outline. British English uses "are" for the names of bands. Lancevortex (talk) 22:12, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, whatever. --Blaguymonkey (talk) 02:06, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Lemmy: Published: Sunday, Jan. 23, 2011 - 12:00 am | Page 2I

"When you play rock 'n' roll, you have to be loud, don't you? Otherwise, what's the point? You may as well be playing folk music," said Lemmy Kilmister of Motörhead, who's proud of the band's sonic blast.

He's 65 years of age, has been the head of the band for 36 years, and he hears just fine. His band touts itself as the "loudest, coolest and most ironic rock 'n' roll lifestyle around," and its new album, "The Wörld Is Your" comes out in two weeks. Motörhead's last album, "Motörizer," broke all the group's sales records.

"The music is exactly what you'd expect. We're pretty much set in our ways," Kilmister said. "It's straight-ahead rock 'n' roll. It is not heavy metal. People call us a heavy-metal band. We are not heavy metal. We are heavy rock. We were rocking way before heavy metal, way before punk. It's what we've been doing for 36 years, and I've never tired of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.29.182 (talk) 01:59, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Membership changes

There quite clearly is a couple of mistakes in the beginning of the Hellraiser chapter. Robertson left at the end of 1983 when King Diamond was still with Mercyful Fate. This means that the first sentence is wrong. Pete Gill joined Motörhead at the beginning of 1984 and Mikkey Dee joined King Diamond's solo band in 1985. This means that also the second sentence is wrong. I have no idea how things really went with Dee joining but clearly the current version is incorrect. 88.115.199.208 (talk) 08:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Looking at Mikkey Dee's entry, it appears you are right. Unfortunately, the two editors (Alf and Bubba) who are mainly responsible for this article have chosen to no longer contribute, so we can only guess as to why that statement was made. I've altered it to remove the specific time elements - I am assuming that the rest is accurate (ie Motorhead toured with King Diamond and Dee had previously been asked to join the band). Drwhawkfan (talk) 09:47, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll check page 258 and see if I confused things there, most likely I misread/misunderstood as looking at it, you both make good points.163.1.147.64 (talk) 08:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

It's page 243 of WLF that I must have got this from:

"I'd known Mikkey for many years. Motörhead did a tour with Mercyfull Fate when Brian Robertson was in our band and Mikkey (who is Swedish) was their drummer. In fact I'd asked him to join the band once before, around the time Pete Gill joined up, but he was just joining Dokken at the time so he couldn't do it. This time, I cornered him at the Rainbow - he was living in LA at the time - and he was free. So we had him down and tried him out. The first thing Mikkey did with us was 'Hellraiser' and he was very good immediately. It was obvious that it was going to work. We did two songs with him in the studio - 'Hellraiser' and Hell on Earth' (one of Motörhead's eternally amazing lost tracks) - and then we immediately went out on the road with Ozzy."--163.1.147.64 (talk) 10:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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"Rock n' roll" because Lemmy said? Patetic...--Erlandinho (talk) 22:49, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

You don't want to know what the sole constant member/lead singer and legend of the band thinks about it? Whose opinion would you trust?163.1.147.64 (talk) 08:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Answer to Erlandinho. No "Rock n roll" because you said? Patetic... Who are you on this planet and this universe to say what is Motorhead and to know better than Lemmy what is Motorhead? Did you invented Motorhead? You don't know what is Rock 'n' roll. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.74.34 (talk) 18:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

General comments

YES, MOTORHEAD IS TODAYS FEATURED ARTICLE —Preceding unsigned comment added by RandomGuy666 (talk • contribs) 00:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Is the song on the Motorhead page under the GPL, or is it fair use? Did Motorhead agree to have their song sampled? 96.241.121.25 (talk) 00:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

It is used under a claim of fair use. A detailed rationale can be found at File:Motörhead.ogg. — TKD::{talk} 00:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

HOW ISNT MOTORHEAD THRASH METAL AND ROCK N ROLL? LEMMY SAID IT HIMSELf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.253.113.120 (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

A question

To write Motörhead is one of the greatest bands ever is POV, isn't?--Olbia merda, big MH fan (talk) 10:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Genre debate

Before changing the genre(s) listed in the lead and/or in the information box, please review Wikipedia:Lead section and bear in mind that the information box is a summary and therefore should reflect the balance of the article. If you make a change and that change is reverted, please follow the The BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and discuss the issues here. Thanks.--Alf ^melmac 08:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Rock vs. heavy metal vs. hard rock

Which should it say in the lead-in? "Rock" keeps it general, though they are more often associated with heavy metal and their style has remained consistent throughout their career. So shouldn't it say 'heavy metal' or 'rock' in the lead-in, instead of 'hard rock'? Also, the first genre in the infobox should be heavy metal, not hard rock. --Tim010987 (talk) 09:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree, a lot of sources I've seen have regarded them as a metal band. Like, the first website (after their offical site, wikipedia page and myspace) seen on goggle describes them as a heavy metal band. I say they're metal first, hard rock second. 173.33.7.60 (talk) 02:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

173.33 - That website falsely claims "Motörhead, originally called Bastard" - please see the relevant line and the cite in the article for the cited information stating Lemmy wanted to call the band this name but was persuaded not to. I am not happy using a site which makes such an obvious error.--Alf ^melmac 09:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Take time to read through the first two paragraphs, I really do think that we have the right balance and order in this. Not all their songs are heavy metal, speed metal or thrash metal (in fact imh[but personal]o I would not label any of their songs as thrash metal but hey ho- the cites say so) but all their songs are hard rock (those that are heavy metal, speed metal and thrash metal are hard rock by default as they are sub-categories of hard rock. So the article says - loosely put - this is a hard rock band typically classfied as heavy metal, speed metal or thrash metal, with Lemmy disagreeing with such labelling, prefering "rock 'n roll". Am I missing something in the balance of the article, as I think it not only sums up parts of rest of the article, but puts it into rational classification order. I would, as has happened in the Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath articles, be happy with 'rock' instead of hard rock, I know that the drive-by genre editors won't like that but I agree with Tim's view there to keep it general. I would prefer the information box genre line to be crushed by elephant, buried in peat and it's name chipped off of all public monuments...--Alf ^melmac 13:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

They put rock - and most wikipedians - that are apparently motorhead fans - keep it that way - because Lemmy is using it a lot in interviews. "We're a rock band" (or rock n roll) he says. He actually seems to have a grudge with this, with all the "are you metal?" questions. He must be hating metal. All these mystical metal-heads must really piss him off. Anyway, the style of their live is definitely not metal, more closer to classical hard rock live of the 80s. If I would say it (I have a few years of experience as a fan in Metal, Rock and relevant genres), I'd say "Hard Rock tending to early Heavy Metal". --AaThinker (talk) 21:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

• Yes, that does seem to be his attitude - and I agree (but I am someone who differentiates heavy metal from heavy rock by the compositional qualities, not how loud the bad is. I suspect Lemmy is too.) Maybe we should have a reference to such an interview where Lemmy says "we're a rock and roll back" next to the genre? Luminifer (talk) 15:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Genres (both in how they are seen and how they see themselves) are very well covered in the Style section, which is why it is continually dissappointing to have drive-by editors (presumably not bothering to read that section) tinkering around with the first mention of a genre and in the info-box. [In that section is one of my all time favourite quotes from Lemmy, I'll leave you to guess which one that could possibly be...] There has been much discussion about genres over many pages and one of the upshots was, as is a general rule on wiki, that the opening paragraph (if a universally understood term is available) shouldn't use very specific technical terms (imagine that the reader has no previous knowledge of the subject at all) as these will be dealt with and put into context in the body of the article. This is pretty much how we arrive at using something like "rock music" in the descriptor line and "heavy metal" in the infobox (as that is how they are most frequently classified by record shops, charts, etc.). If people really don't want to know much more than the first line and infobox can tell them, they can stop reading, if the reader wants a full low-down, then they can read on and see it all in context.--Alf ^melmac 15:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

• For further discussion, this text is kind of dubious, no? Motörhead are considered to be part of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal which "re-energized heavy metal in the late '70s and early '80s". All Music Guide states that the NWOBHM bands "kicked out all of the blues, sped up the tempo, and toughened up the sound, leaving just a mean, tough, fast, hard metallic core ... We should have, at least, considered 'by some' -- but even beyond that, the sentence claims that the NWOBHM "kicked out the blues" (this is reasonable), but a lot of Motorhead songs are based on the standard blues progression and have a lot of bluesy elements.. Thoughts? :) Luminifer (talk) 15:04, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Yup I wasn't overjoyed when that was introduced, the edit was in with a number of other minor change iirc. My take is that NWOBHM is linked, if I wanted to know much about that, I could click the link, so it has now been reduced to only what is specfic to Motörhead.--Alf ^melmac 15:22, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Only heavy metal is listed now....is that right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenday21 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The genre in the infobox and lead ought to be the same, which it isn't at the moment. I would go with heavy metal, as it gives a more precise indication of their music style to the general reader rather than the wider category of rock - if I went into a record store to buy a Motorhead CD, I'd go to the heavy metal section. And I would further argue that their music has been one of the most influential facets in the evolution of heavy metal music, there are plenty of published heavy metal encyclopaedias that would re-inforce this claim. As for Lemmy's dislike of the categorisation of his music regarding it all as just rock n roll, this isn't uncommon, most musicians object to being pigeon-holed. But in a sense, how we broadly classify their music here isn't dependent on Lemmy's views, but how it is critically acclaimed. Ultimately, I don't think people care too much except those who go around changing the genre insisting it is either this or that. – Drwhawkfan (talk) 11:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Heavy metal is just a sub-genre of rock. so rock is perfectly accurate. There is no binding rule stating the the lead and the infobox should match. The infobox would be just as accurate if it said rock to match the lead... rather than vicey-versoo. If Allmusic is to be used as a guideline for what genre formatting should look like Allmusic lists "Pop/Rock" as the genre for every single heavy metal band on that website. they have a column called styles which has all the superfluity and fluff. But accurately describe the "genre" (genre is not style) as Pop/Rock. What say we use Motorhead as a shining example for every single Wikipedia article relating to a heavy metal band and change them all to "pop/rock"... that would be the best solution for all. The Real Libs-speak politely 12:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The genre's not something that concerns me much, but I do wonder why AllMusic is apparently becoming a bible for some people – Drwhawkfan (talk) 12:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Genre is something which is problematic in all band articles, I think. I just had a look at U2's article – which says rock in the lead, but expands in the infobox – and the history is just as peppered with disagreements as this one and any other you care to look at. I think the key is to find a settlement and stick with it, and I firmly believe the way to do this is to be as loose as possible in the lead. Sure, I would file my Motorhead albums under metal, but then I only have three sections: metal, punk and other – and other is bands like Beastie Boys and Cypress Hill – sure enough doesn't fit there! – B.hotep •talk• 12:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I have over 7500 albums in my personal music collection. And I file Motorhead under "M"  :-) The Real Libs-speak politely 13:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have elaborated, Libsy. When I file my albums in alpha order, my missus calls me anal, but I do it anyways! When I file them on a spreadsheet (I probably have about the same as you quantity-wise), I have "discog-m" and "discog-p" – "others" don't get noted because there aren't that many others! – B.hotep •talk• 13:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

re: "anal" I have a Masters degree in Engineering. My chosen specialty is Asset Management (hence the whole library connection)... you must be fully and completely 'anal' to do what I do for living. Someone asked me what an Asset Manager was and I said it was just a fancy way of saying "inventory analyst".... so you can see it right there ASSet Manager... Inventory analyst.... its all connected. The Real Libs-speak politely 13:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

My opinion is that the infobox is a brief summation of the artist so the more specific genre should be used, in this case "heavy metal". The opening paragraph on the other hand is an introduction to the article and the more general "rock" or as Wiki libs suggests "pop/rock" is more appropriate. Then if there are sources describing bands influencing or playing more specific genres ("speed metal", etc) that should be in the body of the article. That said, I would agree with any consensus, that can be pointed to when the genre is edited, that doesn't allow unlimited genres to be listed in the infobox or opening paragraph. BTW, my Motorhead albums are next to Mozart albums.J04n(talk page) 13:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Is "pop/rock" supposed to be the same as Pop rock? If you read the article, this doesn't sound like it applies to Motorhead. If they are not the same thing, then I would suggest that "pop/rock" is such a generic descriptor that we leave it out entirely - "Motorhead is a band" seems fine to me. Luminifer (talk) 20:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

What Pop/Rock means is pop music/rock music. I definitely agree that Motorhead IS NOT pop rock (can you imagine if they were? LOL). No, I think what that means is that it's commonly seen that rock music is what's most popular most of the time -- hence, pop music. So even if a band isn't the most popular of groups, if it's rock then it's also pop. I don't how exactly allmusic worked this out, so that's just my guess. Now, we've seen how much discontent there is about what a genre is and what a style is. I don't see a difference, but some people do and allmusic does. So maybe there should be a genre section in the infoboxes for artists, albums, and songs/singles as well as a style section. That way we can show that every band is pop/rock, and then explain what styles they've taken within that genre. So this article, for example, could start off by reading "Motorhead are a British pop/rock band formed in 1975 by bassist, singer and songwriter Lemmy, who has remained the sole constant member.... ....Their music is styled as heavy metal, though Lemmy dislikes such labels, preferring to describe the band's music simply as "rock 'n' roll". We could then get into, later on, how they influenced/dabbled in several sub-styles of metal. This seems like the most logical way to describe any band.Krobertj (talk) 19:11, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, I think this subject is so subjective that I'm not sure listing something like this in the infobox is useful to anybody. Luminifer (talk) 21:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Geez you guys have never ever even listened to Heavy Metal. If you compare Judas Priest, Girlschool and Motorhead, many of their songs sound alike. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.108.192.50 (talk) 09:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, There is no clean genre anymore, Motorhead have some blues songs too. Does that makes them a blues band? Most of the songs are Rock n roll, because heavy rock, hard rock etc are names for different era in Rock n roll genre. Rock n roll is about reality, sex, against politicians, primitive people etc.. Metal is philosophy of "dragons", Bible, devils etc... Total different whey of thinkin' on life. This is interview of Lemmy, it is one of the thousands like that: Lemmy: Published: Sunday, Jan. 23, 2011 - 12:00 am | Page 2I

"When you play rock 'n' roll, you have to be loud, don't you? Otherwise, what's the point? You may as well be playing folk music," said Lemmy Kilmister of Motörhead, who's proud of the band's sonic blast.

He's 65 years of age, has been the head of the band for 36 years, and he hears just fine. His band touts itself as the "loudest, coolest and most ironic rock 'n' roll lifestyle around," and its new album, "The Wörld Is Your" comes out in two weeks. Motörhead's last album, "Motörizer," broke all the group's sales records.

"The music is exactly what you'd expect. We're pretty much set in our ways," Kilmister said. "It's straight-ahead rock 'n' roll. It is not heavy metal. People call us a heavy-metal band. We are not heavy metal. We are heavy rock. We were rocking way before heavy metal, way before punk. It's what we've been doing for 36 years, and I've never tired of it.

So, who have a right, who can say that knows Motorhead music better than Lemmy? Who can say that knows better than Lemmy what is Rock n roll? Lemmy is on stage from 1965 to this day. Remember that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.138.29.182 (talk) 01:47, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

It should definately be heavy metal. As for 93.138.29.182's post, the term "rock'n'roll" is often informally used by a lot of different bands in a lot of styles, including rock (of all kinds), hard rock, heavy metal and pop. It's used to be "cool", as in music that "rocks". It's another usual way to say that this music "rocks" - though not correct, as it isn't at all any relationship between Motörhead and the original rock'n'roll of the 1950s/60s. It's definately a metal band, why should you argue that? It's a metal band! The term "heavy rock" was what they used before the term "heavy metal" was invented. And he says "we were rocking way before heavy metal, way before punk", but fact is that the band was founded in 1975, and metal had existed since the late 1960s with Black Sabbath, and this kind of music was well-known in 1975. Though if he dislikes the term, it's still what the genre is called. "Heavy rock" is not the name of a genre. It's a usual term used on heavy metal. Rock is a very wide term, and you can make VERY different music and calling it Rock! It's a very diverse genre. The first line in the introduction is therefore confusive. In the introduction, it should be a general term which best describes the music of the band - which is, in this case, heavy metal. A general term would be heavy metal, as that's the genre used in most of their songs. Metal describes more than just saying it's a "rock band". It should stay: Motörhead is an English metal band, not an English rock band! The term "heavy metal" describes more than just "rock", who's a very wide term. And yeah, sorry, this was a very long post, but I hope I was able to express my point. 188.113.91.110 (talk) 23:31, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

And as for Alf's post: Heavy metal is not a subgenre of hard rock. Metal is much harder than hard rock. Hard rock lies between what is usually described as Rock and Heavy metal. As for the introduction, it also stays that the band was important in the "British Wave of Heavy Metal". Which, in fact, describes the band as a heavy metal band. 188.113.91.110 (talk) 23:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Speed metal

Also, Allmusic cites them as a speed metal band. It should be added to the genre box. --Tim010987 (talk) 09:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I personally think that line in the box should be removed and people can bother to read the introduction to be more informed about that but I know if I do, the drive-by editors will get withdrawal symptoms and kick-up shit.--Alf ^melmac 13:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Punk Rock + Heavy Metal = Metal without the heavy aka Speed Metal—Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.105.82 (talk • contribs)

Speed metal is a sub-genre of heavy metal music originating in the early 1980s, rooted in the NWOBHM and hardcore punk. Have you got a reliable source that backs up your opinion?--Alf ^melmac 14:27, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Tim - as speed metal (and thrash metal) is a sub-genre of heavy metal and it's clearly explained in the first line of the second paragraph I think it's overkill (if you'll pardon the pun), but remember I loathe that particular subjective field being in a taxo-type box anyway...--Alf ^melmac 09:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I just saw this pun. Did you know that Overkill actually covered the Motorhead song "Overkill"? hahaha Luminifer (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

See List of bands named after other performers' songs there's a whole bunch of those.J04n(talk page) 18:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hah, I hadn't realized they were actually named after the song! Another cute one was that the Ramones covered Motorhead's R.A.M.O.N.E.S... Luminifer (talk) 04:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Was Ace of Spades the first album released in the United States?

I've never seen a Mercury label Overkill or Bomber, just Spades and everything afterwards. Mercury was the label for Motorhead in the States. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.81.33.59 (talk) 06:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Heavy metal/hard rock

Since Motorhead is both, why not add it in the text instead of just "rock"? Teh Thrasher (talk) 06:04, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree this would be much better. And JFTR, you can always get a die-hard Motorhead fan upset if you call this music "heavy metal". Well, Maiden may be classified HM, but Lemmy & Co. have always kicked out that earthy, dirty rock 'n roll thing. "True" heavy metal is often influenced from 80s hair metal, and this is what Lemmy always hated...BUT he will surely not object to anyone saying that their music is "punk-influenced". I think punk is what has always saved rock music from becoming too campy or cheesy. -steamhammer 2.242.169.252 (talk) 15:28, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

FAR

This article passed a Featured article review in 2007. Since then, the nominator has retired from Wikipedia and the article has degraded; I see several uncited ends of paragraphs and obvious recentism of the "On 1 January 2015 the band did this .... on 2 February 2015 they did that..." which will degrade over time, plus things like "As of 2012, Motörhead have sold more than 15 million albums worldwide" (what about as of 2015?) which are typical of deteriorating FAs. I think this probably needs a featured article review. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree, the core of it is sound, just need to remove some of the needless prose such as stating Triple H is a popular wrestler. Also, which of these are industrial music. If, indeed, any of them are notable on wiki. Syxxpackid420 (talk) 19:35, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

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The FAR procedure is aimed at repairing the article to restore its FA status. Who will take the ball and run with it? Binksternet (talk) 05:02, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

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Motorhead have officially disbanded after Lemmy's death and so the page should be corrected to state so 82.42.251.219 (talk) 14:13, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done - by another - with a source - although it is becoming a minor edit war - If you have another source, it would help - Arjayay (talk) 14:58, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

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Motorhead has disbanded after Lemmy's death, as stated by the drummer in an interview with Swedish magazine Expressen. RsAboveMc (talk) 15:25, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

 Done See previous section. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 23:59, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Should "Trivia" headline be changed to "WWE?"

It's worth noting Motorhead's association with the WWE (Triple H considered Lemmy a friend), should that be referred to as WWE in the headline? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.7.59.15 (talk) 16:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

To my knowledge, associated acts is reserved only for musicians that one group collaborates or has collaborated with. Or just if one musician was previous a member of a separate band. I don't being friends with someone counts as an associated act. 73.254.1.229 (talk) 20:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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Can we change the members list so that it displays "members" as Lemmy, Phil "Wizzö" Campbell, and Mikkey Dee so as to avoid confusion and show that this was the lineup before the bands end? Much like the page for Nirvana and The Jimi Hendrix Experience. 73.254.1.229 (talk) 20:48, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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IMO, it is completely irrelevant what others think of the genre the band played in, Lemmy has stated for 40 years that HE plays Rock n Roll. As far as I'm concerned that's all that should be in the info box. The other genres are there as a courtesy to others opinion really, because he didn't like to be called a Heavy Metal band and had more in common with the Punk Music scene of London in the late 70s. Again anyone who has heard an interview with Lemmy over the last 40 years will know this, so this needs to be sorted out once and for all.Nuro Dragonfly (talk) 22:39, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nuro Dragonfly: All you need to do is add a source, why is that so hard ? You don't own this article. Mlpearc (open channel) 22:44, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Mate, you jumped the gun on me doing so....bad timing is all, no hard feelings.Nuro Dragonfly (talk) 23:11, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

What he thought is not that relevant. If you check interviews with Robert Smith of the Cure you will notice there are plenty of occasions where he becomes irate being described as goth. Here we need 3rd party sources. I noticed you added a couple, but most appear to be referring to a rock 'n' roll lifestyle as opposed to the music genre. That's not to sat that it clearly was an *inspiration* to him. I've not seen any sources yet describing Motorhead as punk. Karst (talk) 23:30, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

• Comment - What he thought is the primary point to this consensus. Artist's opinions are the ONLY point that maters, IMO. Labeling a band only goes so far, and the articles that I put up all state quite well that he was influenced by Chuck Berry etc, who literally invented Rock n Roll. They covered Louie Louie on their first single? Weather or not they influenced and were 'part' of this scene or that, is the bit that's irrelevant to me. They played Rock n Roll and any actual fan of the band knows this perfectly well. I will continue to find material to prove my point but I consider this to be something that who ever made the article in the first place should have known from the start. Personal opinion on the genre is what I is in the info-box listings as far as a I'm concerned. Nuro Dragonfly (talk) 23:42, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps go through the archives - this has been debated at length. Cover versions are of little relevance here. For instance, the allmusic.com biography notes them as heavy metal and dismisses the punk claim. Please don't become a WP:GENREWARRIOR. Karst (talk) 23:58, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

• Further Comment - And as for the Punk issue they wrote the song RAMONES for the band as a homage to the Punk scene Lemmy and the original line up come from in London. Again well documented. Nuro Dragonfly (talk) 23:45, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

• One song doesn't make a genre. Mlpearc (open channel) 23:59, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Nuro Dragonfly: You have much to learn, first thing is "what you think doesn't mean squat" Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability Mlpearc (open channel) 23:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

And your clearly trying to start a battleground 'sunshine', so don't ever speak to me in such a manor again boy!. I was quite polite in my explanatory on your page, so I'd get an new attitude pretty quickly if I were you. Nuro Dragonfly (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Have a nice stay and good luck with your journey. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

• More Proof - I have just added yet another cite to support the Genre issue of Lemmy and Motöhead playing Rock n Roll. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuro Dragonfly (talk • contribs) 01:30, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Where? Karst (talk) 07:53, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Edits

OK, I would like there to be, some sort of, consensus about some very specific 'facts' about the band and Lemmy and how it all came about. I feel the specifics about the drug use and his arrest are an essential element to the story, because without the Canadian boarder arrest he would have stayed in Hawkwind, he has stated a few time over the years. The 'genre' issue; I think I found more than enough evidence to at the least add rock n roll. So what does everybody else think? Becuase now it is being changed somewhat in a way I think is not having the proper amount of info about the band, which really means Lemmy, in a lot of ways, and not just because I was up at 09:30am, here in Sydney, on a Sunday, with a whiskey in hand, watching his funeral streamed live either...nothing to do with it.. Nuro msg me 01:09, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello and attempted consensus on Rock n Roll

I have previously asked for a debate on the status of the bands genre. Nobody seams to be entering into this. Other than what ever Mlpearc is doing in a edit revision war with 191.102.117.125 (which Mlpearc is correct in doing so) nothing is being debated. I would like some debate please, or I will add Rock n Roll with my numerous source citing of this genre the band plays. This is seriously starting to become more than disrespectful. Nuro msg me 03:37, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

@Nuro Dragonfly: Where are your references ? You'll need a couple reliable sources or the road to consensus is already dead. Note the sources you choose must be unquestionable reliable, ie. Rolling Stone, AllMusic.... Mlpearc (open channel) 17:04, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

@Mlpearc Yes mate, I'm very aware of such a requirement, now days eh. I'm starting the topic up and have been waiting for a response,......from anyone......so yes, I will collect my source material and report my findings. Thank you for a response, also. Nuro G'dayMate! 00:52, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

• Seriously my last attempt at trying to include Rock n Roll as part of the genre's - I appreciated the inclusion I made about his stance on the terminology used about the band, for starters. So, this, this, this and this are all interviews with Lemmy. This and this are about him. They are the ones I used to put my entry into the lede. I've re-listed them here for the ease of re-reading them, as I moved two of them about his death to the next paragraph as they dealt with that primarily (I deleted the official website for obvious biased). I consider all of them as reliable, reputable, legitimate sources.
  When used as a whole, it in various ways conveys the musical styles that the band have been associated with over their 40 year career. Somewhere in my various debates on such matters about various bands, I remember someone claiming that the opinions of the band or members of it didn't matter. I respectfully disagree. The articles I've listed are all inclusive of the term "Rock n Roll" in a lot of different ways, and as such I firmly believe that this proves the case for the band having it as a genre. If anything the "Punk Rocker" tag is also warranted. I will continue to put more effort into finding other sources over the weekend here in Australia, and I will attempt to finalise my summation in the next 2/3 days.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 02:12, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Found this pretty quickly.

And this

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 02:38, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

English or not?

Someone has edited the lead sections of all or virtually all Motörhead album articles to refer to the band as "(then) English band Motörhead". Motörhead was formed in England and was comprised entirely of English musicians. Were they somehow not English at the end? I know Lemmy lived in LA but to my way of thinking they were still an English band. Any thought on this? 156.57.246.102 (talk) 23:44, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello, i have been cleaning the entire body of albums, from the slurce code syntax level up. I'm also using the deluxe edition liner notes for most of this as well as the previously sourced material. To clarify your question: Lemmy was born in England but moved to LA permanently after the 'Rock n Roll' album in 1987. Philthy was born in Enlgand and moved to LA temporarily after the same album but moved back after leaving the band fo the second time (see the time line of his involvement with the band) Fast Eddie was born in England and never left after being axed/quiting the band in 1982. Robbo was born in Scotland (serious distinction this one) and played with the band for about a year and a half, thus ending the English only effort right there. Wurzel (Michael Burston) was born in England and relocated to LA for a period also but returned to England after a short stay and was then fired/left the band during the 'Sacrifice' album. Philip 'Wizzo' Campbell was born in Wales, not England (serious distinction this one also) and has not left the band since joining in 1984 on the 'No Remorse' album after Robbo was kicked out, as did Wurzel at this time. Mikkey Dee was born in Sweeden to Greek parents and joined the band in 1991 during the '1916' album of which Philthy was fired from and completed the end of the English thing as half the band at this stage were not Enlgish born (again check the timelines please). Pete Gill and the few others that have played with the band for what ever reason have been of various birthplaces, including England. The band stopped being an English band permanently after the 'Rock n 'Roll' album as it was a mixture of nationalities as Phil neve moved out of Wales and Mikkey never moved out of Sweeden, and the rest don't matter really. Hence my changing of the lede to specify that they once were an Enlgish band but long ago stopped being so.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 00:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Well explained, and appreciated. I'd like to get some other opinions though, I think it's something that could stand being discussed a bit further. 156.57.246.102 (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

After some more thought though, it would seam to me that the word British would apply from 1982 (after Eddie left the band) and then neither from 1992 onwards. I have also not used Rock band at all because the amount of effort ive been trying to get the genre of 'Rock n Roll' added has meet with ambivalence really. So calling them by any specific term doesn't seem appropriate to me anymore as they were more than just a Rock band. Anyway I agree more consensus is needed on the matter, as it seems your the only editor that has engaged in the topic of the body of work as a whole, other than me, and 1 or 2 others, in a very long time.

Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 03:51, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

• It would probably be clearer and more accurate to state that the band was formed in England in 1975 by... if this matters to others. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:55, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

• The whole affair seems to have been forgotten by most who had any interest....im for accuracy Nürö ^{G'DÄŸ MÄTË} 22:16, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

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