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What's a 'bogan'? --MichaelTinkler

An austalian derogatory term roughly equivalent to the american term "redneck" - MMGB


Manning, obviously you disagree with the use of the term bogan to describe Cold Chisel's fans, perhaps to the term in general. While I'm happy to concede that perhaps it should not be used in this article, I feel that some mention of their outer-suburban male fan base should be made. Do you agree that this is an accurate description of the majority of their strongest fans, and if so, how best to explain this? --Robert Merkel

oh I like that! 'outer suburban male'!
Michael, if you're not Australian, perhaps an explanation of "outer suburban" is in order. Unlike the US, Australia's six capital cities are largely contiguous entities, and once outside their outer limits by American (and even more by European) standards settlement thins out very quickly and to levels which are very sparse. Self-contained American-style suburbs located outside major centres are not that common. Instead, Australian "suburbs" are more akin to neighbourhoods in a continuous, if largely low-density urban sprawl. Within these metropolitan areas a rough division can be drawn into "inner suburban" and "outer suburban". The inner suburbs have small houses, and townhouses, and factories which are continuously either being turned into warehouse apartments or knocked down for new townhouse or apartment blocks. The students and pensioners who used to live in the area are being crowded out by young professionals. Coffee shops and restaurants are booming with the property prices (though Starbucks are thankfully rare). Arthouse cinema, nightclubs, bars with live original bands, good restaurants, recycled clothing shops, and so on, dominate the streetscape. Outside this inner ring are the outer suburbs, with shopping malls (called shopping centres here), larger detached houses, massive "entertainment complexes" filled with slot machines, freeways, multiplexes, and so on. Much of the wealth generated by the economic growth of the past two decades has gone to the inner suburban dwellers, and the cultural divide between the two groups has grown. The political divide caused by this crosses party lines, with the inner-city "elite" collectively supporting free trade, multiculturalism, reconciliation with Australia's indigenous peoples, the shedding of remaining ties to the British monarchy, and so on, and the outer suburbs and rural areas opposing them. The present Prime Minister, John Howard, has effectively exploited these issues to win votes amongst working-class outer-suburbanites at the expense of alienating many in his own party. I hope some of this rant makes sense, but anyway :)


Looks like a decent article to me. Could stand alone as outer suburban male (a.k.a. bogan), maybe under Melbourne culture ??

to me, too. So is 'bogan' acronymic, or personal, or a nonsense word? And, by the way, I lived in Atlanta, Georgia for 15 years. Sounds familiar enough to me! --MichaelTinkler
As far as I know, it's not an acronym, but it's a well-known term (it's used, for instance, in a song called "Nobody Like A Bogan" by a group called Area 7"). It may be local though - I think Sydneysiders call the equivalent "Westies". The point WRT suburbs I was trying to make was that when I visited the US (TX, CA, NY, and NJ) was that "suburbs" seemed to be used in a slightly different sense to here. By the way, I'll try and prepare an entry on bogans and we'll have a rerun of the white trash debate amongst the Aussies :)--Robert Merkel
The term Bogan is perjorative and should not be used in any Wikipedia article, neither should Kike, Yid, Wop, Wetback or Spic. However I can see the validity of an article about the word itself, as it does have sociological significance, although we are GUARANTEED to get a debate similar to the White Trash episode. Its etymology is uncertain. - MMGB
Yes, bogan is perjorative (though it is a cultural and social-economic term more akin to "yuppie", "chattering classes" or "chardonnay socialist" than a racial one like the ones you have used above). I already agreed that it probably shouldn't be used in this article. However, I think Chisel's icon status to Australian-born working class males, particularly those born in the 1960's and 1970's, is worth mentioning in an article on Cold Chisel, in the same way that Britney Spears has inspired the "tweenies". If stated in that way, it's not being demeaning to Cold Chisel or their fans, is it? --Robert Merkel
Oh absolutely, I can see that it's worth making that particular point. MMGB

Oh yes, that's much better. - MMGB

WaveAid

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Someone made a wrote that the band played at WaveAid, but I was there and I have the shirt to prove they didn't, so I took it out. rakkar 23:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Cold Chisel did not play at WaveAid. Maybe whoever that was got them mixed up with Midnight Oil, who did reform to play it. BrianFG 04:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've since found out that Chisel did play at a tsunami benefit, but it wasn't WaveAid. BrianFG 03:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Last Wave of Summer

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I just noticed that in The Revival section it says they got back together in 1999 for The Last Wave of Summer but the discography says it was released in 1998. Maybe someone should do something about that? I don't have the relevant information so I can't. --DK 23:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality

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I question the neutrality of the article and am tagging it as such Naysie 01:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why? --Mdhowe 08:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly the use of positive adjectives like "superb" in the body of the article. I'll do a quick rewrite without the 'emotive' language. BrianFG 04:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Had to add something about this link--Mutley 12:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Website incorrect

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The URL for the official website has been posted incorrectly as www.coldchisel.com. It is www.coldchisel.com.au —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.26.72 (talk) 03:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, fixed! --BrianFG 08:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanx  :) love that band, they're awesome! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.26.72 (talk) 01:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Last Stand

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" The Sydney shows formed the basis of the film The Last Stand, the biggest-selling concert film of any Australian band."

I find it very unlikely that 'The Last Stand' has sold more copies than, just for example, AC/DC's live concert films. Is there a source for this statement? If not then I will remove it...

Mmmm. I wonder if they mean the theatrical release? It could well have been the biggest at one time, but I'd agree with removal without a decent recent source. Doctorhawkes (talk) 08:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox image

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What could be a suitable image for the infobox? Maybe the logo or a group picture of the members? 124.180.228.131 (talk) 05:30, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding "musical style and lyrical themes"

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"Influences from blues and early rock n' roll was broadly apparent, fostered by the love of those styles by Moss, Barnes and Walker and Small and Prestwich contributed strong pop sensibilities."

Okay...would just like to point out that this is a massive run-on sentence, so it's quite hard to tell what is connected to what. Would someone who knows more about this band mind put a period somewhere in this sentence to make it less confusing? I'm assuming it's supposed to be "...Moss, Barnes and Walker. Small and Prestwich contributed strong pop sensibilites" but I'm not positive about it. 2602:306:37BD:6750:E561:3C74:A6B9:2FDB (talk) 05:35, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Cold Chisel/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

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Article has following B-class criteria:
  • Red XN The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations where necessary.
    Only four separate references, many claims are not suitably referenced by inline citations.
  • Red XN The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.
    ARIA Hall of Fame induction in 1993 not mentioned.
  • Green tickY The article has a defined structure.
  • Red XN The article is reasonably well written.
    The Lead section does not accurately summarise the rest of the article - it needs to be expanded from current two sentences to three or four paragraphs.
  • Green tickY The article contains supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams, where appropriate.
  • Green tickY The article presents its content in an appropriately accessible way.
I have assessed the Australian importance to Mid and Australian music importance to High as Cold Chisel were inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame and so are considered to be icons of the Australian music industry.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Top 10 singles

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Why is "Cheap Wine" missing from their list of Top 10 singles in the lead? Muzilon (talk) 10:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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