Talk:Ford Taunus V4 engine

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The V4 was later expanded into the Ford CDW27 engine that is used in the Ford Mondeo and many other Ford cars.

Is this true? I thought that engine was an I4. —Morven 00:28, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)

It refers to the ones fitted with a V6. // Liftarn

There also was a 1.3 litre version used in the Taunus 12M P6 from 1966 to 1970. I will check the details then I will add it to the text.194.25.108.84 10:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• The 1.3 litre is added now. 84.140.50.162 18:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, the Ford 12M/15M was not named Taunus. 84.58.162.107 02:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

• In its first year of production (1966/67), the P6 was still named "Taunus". In the fall of 1967, the German subsidiary of Ford finally got the permission to use the "Ford" name for its cars. Therefore, the P7 was named Ford from the beginning, while the P6 was renamed at that time. From 1967 to 1970, there was no car that was called Ford Taunus. 84.140.57.5 17:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • German made Fords were named Ford right from the opening of the German factory. The name "Taunus" is a model name, not the make of car. Just as Ford UK chose to name their midside saloon "Cortina" after the Swiss ski resort, the Germans decided to use the name "Taunus", which is a German mountain range, just as there had been a model range named "Eifel" after another German mountain range. For a certain time, all German Fords bore the name "Taunus", the numbers indicating the engine size and the "m" declaring it a "Meisterstück" (masterpiece). The Ford Taunus 12m therefore was the 1200cc masterpiece, the 20m the 2000cc masterpiece and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.178.180.31 (talk) 11:30, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

-Could someone check the part "It was not a 'true' V engine as two opposing pistons did not share one crankpin on the crankshaft.", because as far as I know V-engine configuration is only denfined by the position of cylinders, in other words the piston configuration. To my knowledge the crank sharing the same pin for opposing pistons is called the 'twin-structure or -configuration', but that does not define the cylinder configuration.

Such a claim is more of an oppinion than a fact because I could as well claim that the american V8, for instance, is doubled up V4 as both engines use the cross-crank and have the same 90 degree bank angle: v4 has one cylinder for a crankpin but the v8 has two therefor making v8 a double v4, not a "real" v8 which would have one crank for each cylinder...

So, I recommend removing such a remark as an invalid, irrelevant comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.220.135.173 (talk) 19:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

-Because the line "It was not a 'true' V engine as two opposing pistons did not share one crankpin on the crankshaft." has reappeared, could someone tell me what on earth the Taunus (Aka Cologne) V4 engine is if it is not "true" V4? As I have never heard of a "false" v4, what engine class does it belong to? Bent boxer engine? I can't find any legitimate claims for the term "true" V-engine, so could someone please tell me what is it all about?

-I took the liberty to slightly alter the claim "It was not a 'true' v4..." to "It is sometimes considered not to be a true v4..." since it seems that in Germany V-engines with single crankpin per connection rod/piston counts as boxer, but as far as I know, this is not true in all countries (for example Finland, where I live). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.248.56.90 (talk) 23:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

i think the statement should be left as is ("... sometimes considered ..."), although it might also be described as not being a "normal" vee engine. most vee engines either share journals between pairs (or at least split a pair of journals over one section of crank), and this includes V8's, so there is a general expectation that this is the situation when you mention a vee configuration. i think where this distinction becomes meaningful is in describing flat engines: generally opposite pistons have opposing motions, but in a flat 8 (or 12) you can have a balanced engine where opposing pairs share a crankpin (e.g. ferrari) and these are often described as "not a true boxer" but rather a "flat V8"; so in this case the V has a definite connotation of shared crankpin. however, in the case of an engine obviously being arranged in a vee of two banks, i would agree that you're splitting hairs to claim that separate pins means "not a vee". btw, I would love to know if someone could explain why the decision was made to use this more complex configuration — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.57.184 (talk) 03:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

A V engine by definition has a shared crankpin for a pair of conrods. Thus there are 180 degree V engines like the Ferrari Testarossa or Porsche 917. If an engine does not have a shared crankpin, it is not a V. Like the Ford V4 anc V6, Lancia Fulvia which are considered inline engines with cyliners in V configuration. The most common engine of this type today is the Volkswagen VR (R means Reihenmotor, which in German is an inline engine), whre an inline engine has a normal crankshaft with separate crank throws but angled cylinder bores to make it shorter. So the Ford V4 engine is not a V4 at all, but a VR4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.178.180.31 (talk) 11:59, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Ford Corsair

So this is not the same V4 engine that was offered on the British Ford Corsair? Jason404 (talk) 22:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can tell the V4 engine in British Ford Corsair is the Essex V4, witch is completely independent engine. Altough the Taunus (alias Cologne) V4 and the Essex V4 can be identified from their displacement, both were available in 1,7 liter form. (Essex V4 was available only in 1,7 and 2,0 liter form while the Cologne/Taunus V4 was in 1,2; 1,3; 1,5 and 1,7 as stated here in wikipedia). By the way, in the aspect of a car enthusiasth it is privilege to be in Finland in a way that in the 60'ies the Ford brought here models of British, German and USA lineup, so the variety is vast and it's nice to compare the difference of the models under the same marque. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.223.93.188 (talk) 20:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure this is the engine in my Ford CL-40 skid loader, 1.7L , made in 1981. Probably something about it's use as an industrial engine would be of interest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.79.154.82 (talk) 20:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

There are broadly two versions: steel timing gear and fibre timing gears. There are detail variants within this. Fibre gears break the gears. Steel geared engines break in other places first. On a number of Transit vans in the 1970s, I think I've had terminal failures of every component except a cylinder head: timing gears (innumerable), crankshaft (cracked across a main), rockers (regularly), a connecting rod, piston crowns coming off the piston body and even a crankcase that cracked across the bolt hole for a main bearing cap. Once I had a gearbox casing break in half and the entire contents fall out. Then when the York diesels arrived, we used to go one about how reliable the petrol V4s were! Eventually the vans were replaced by a Volkswagen LT35 that lasted for years and refused to die. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Ford Mustang I

If what I'm told is correct this engine was also used in the Ford Mustang I. Imagine that! // Liftarn (talk)

• Right. The Mustang I concept car got the V4 engine of the Ford Cardinal which was destined for US production in the subcompact segment. Then, the Cardinal was moved to Germany where it turned into the Ford Taunus P4. And the P4 got the V4 engine that was designed for the Cardinal project. OnkelFordTaunus (talk) 23:54, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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American designed?

According to Ford Essex V4 engine the Taunus V4 is "American designed". It also says that Ford of Germany and of UK were developing parallel V4 engines for parallel small van projects until HQ came in and consolidated the divisions, selecting the German Transit as the common van, yet allowing both V4 engine programs to go ahead since they were so far along, which is why the Transit comes with two different V4 engines. Yet this page gives nothing but the most sketchyc and bare outlines, nothing about the origins or design history.

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